Finally some good answers instead of combative don't like it shut up type answers. Thanks for the insight 250rWV and Mitch. And again I completely understand the cost of the hpr19 and I don't think it's over priced per say given its competitions price point. I was just expressing my opinion that for that much it'd be nice if it were at least plated. The stamped thing I understand maybe Jerry could work with Shearer to get it stamped out.