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2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« on: November 23, 2013, 10:01:21 pm »
So I picked this little quad up for $150. The PO said they could not get it to start. I brought home, pulled the side cover and saw he crank seal had been blown out. Long story short, put a new one in, rebuilt the carb, new plug, and she fired right up. The restrictors in the intake and exhaust have both been removed, the bike is still running the factory oil injection.

I had the bike idling nice, rev it up and it ran great. The carb needed Some adjusting, but it still ran. Then it just shut off. I have good spark and the plug is wet when I pull it. I put my finger over the spark plug hole and there is good compression. I have had the carb apart many times, I have tried wd-40 in the spark plug hole then tried to fire it up and no joy. I just don't get it. Not sure what else to check?

I pulled the head today, resurfaced it, there was a little carbon build- up. I cleaned it and the exhaust port. I am at a loss. The exhaust is not plugged, I pulled the spark arrest, the pipe flows air freely when I used the air compressor. Inside if the cylinder looks good, no grooves. I am just about DONE! I'm at a loss.....

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2013, 01:00:55 am »
When my '84 Tecates stator was going out, it would read in spec when cold. I'd start it up and when warm enough it would shut off and not start till it cooled back down. Replacing the stator  eventually fixed the problem, but I chased it around since the ignition coil was in spec cold. Moisture played a role in the stators demise, white powder like stuff would partially cover the flywheel exterior and the bare metal on the ignition/lighting coils would show signs of rust.

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2013, 04:58:13 am »
I was going to recommend checking the flywheel and stator, also double check those crank seals. My quad Zilla was doing the same thing when I had an issue with my flywheel not being seated all the way I the crank. It was sparking but the spark was weak and not strong and consistent I found.

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2013, 12:51:08 pm »
i will give you 100 for it. lol
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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 01:58:32 pm »
This little bike is the DEVIL! I will take the flywheel back off and do some checking with the stator.  Do you guys know what the compression should be? I have checked and re-checked the manual but can not find spec on it.  I am getting 90 PSI out of it.

The carb is clean, clean, clean. I boiled it, chased all of the passages and blew them out with compressed air.  Cleaned and re-cleaned the jets.

It seems to spark awesome. Dang thing shocked me pretty good when I grounded it out and pulled the cord. I didn't even have a plug in it when it did that!


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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 04:18:32 pm »
After a quick google search it sounds like 90lbs is about what it should be. I'd be trying for electrical and crank seal problems
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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 11:05:45 pm »
I will pull the flywheel again and check the stator. And also the coil. Thought it was odd the coil cable shocked me from the boot without a plug when I pulled the cord. Never had that happen before.
I will also check the crank seals again. Kind of weird I'm getting 90 psi compression and could still have a bad seal, but it's worth checking.

I can't imagine it could be a bad carb. There are just not to many things that could go bad in it. I have the float level set to spec and the jets and needle/ seat are glean and un obstructed. I'll check again.

Thanks for looking and finding compression info. I wasn't having any luck.

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 11:41:13 pm »
well your compression reading comes from after the piston has completely sealed off inside the sleeve,, a bad crank seal wouldnt have any effect on compression since by time you are building compression the crank seal is closed off from the compressing part of the compression stroke..... if that makes sense?

with the spark firing outside the wire it sounds like a bad plug wire. could be a nick in it or something and is causing it to short out

a buddy's little brother had a KFX80... has a governor in the carb itself. Goes between the slide and throttle cap, looks like a piece of pipe and it keeps the throttle from opening all the way. Long story short we pulled it out one day and then ran the bike and it was wicked fun! But then it just died on us out of no where after we TOPPED it out////  after you pulled the restrictors out of this 50, how much did you rev it? Could have over revved it and blown the seals again is what im trying to get at,,
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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 06:28:09 am »
"Could have over revved it and blown the seals again is what im trying to get at,,"
It could happen but I highly doubt it. They can't rev that wild.

I know it seems that the carbs can't go bad, they sure do. Lil micro junk gets in the tiny orfices and just don't come out. :(

Like the gentelman mentioned, that plug wire. I'm wondering if it's jumping ground.

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2013, 11:41:07 am »
Thanks guys. I will pull this apart this weekend and see what I come up with.  Hey Jack! It's good to hear from you. The lt80 work that you did for me is just awesome. The kid tears it up with that little bike!!

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 01:10:06 pm »
ok $125 now,  ;D
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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 06:43:09 pm »
SOLD SOLD SOLD to the man in the front row!!!! 

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2013, 07:08:35 pm »
SOLD SOLD SOLD to the man in the front row!!!! 

No no no my friend, that's the bill for our services >:-) lmao!
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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2013, 07:28:49 pm »
Dang! I better start saving up.......

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 11:33:58 pm »
So I finally got around to messing with it again. I put my hand over the end of the air filter to choke it while I pulled the cord. The bike is getting fuel. It smelled like it flooded it pretty good. No firing at all, not even a sputter. I need to check the manual and use an ohm meter on the coil and wire to see if they're within spec.

I went to Sand Lakes Oregon over the weekend riding, so not much else got accomplished!

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 05:46:26 pm »
So I checked the stator and LH crankshaft oil seal. The new seal is right where I put it. Seals tight and doesn't appear to have any blow by. The LH seal seems to be a pretty common issue. I had one blown on my zilla and another lt50 I worked on.  What are the chances it could be a RH seal? Seams like the bearing would keep in place? Other than not starting, would there be any signs it was the other seal. I have not pulled the clutch cover yet and want to know what to look for. It appears the case has to be split to replace the RH oil seal.

I choked it again by placing my hand over the carb inlet.  This time when I pulled the plug it did not appear to be wet. Maybe it was residual gas before? I can feel a slight vacuum when my hand is covering the end and I pull the starter cord. I am getting a stronger gas smell, but the plug is not appearing to be wet now.  I pulled the plug and put my finger over the hole and pulled the cord. It has strong compression, but when I pull my finger away after several pulls it is not even damp with fuel.

I am chasing two separate issues with no real results from either. I also don't like throwing money at a bike without some idea it will solve the problem! Wish I had spare carb to try!!  I tried another coil and there was no change in conditions.

What all would I need to seal off on this little motor to do a leak test? That should tell me if I have a blown seal right? or at least an air leak. Not sure how you would do a leak test on one of these.....

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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 07:57:38 pm »
should be just the intake and exhaust, go get a rubber plug with a wing nut to tighten it up for the exhaust, then some pvc pipe to slide in the intake boot so you can pump it with air.
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Re: 2003 lt50 quadmaster no beuno!!
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 10:39:11 pm »
Dude I've honestly tried my best to stump these guys.  D? I'm sure these guys can help ya build a cheap leak down tester and get it running again.  +k2 And more than likely someone who knows about these...is just reading these until you can do some trouble shooting to narrow the list of possibilities. 
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