Can anyone say what the mph was? 4th gear pulls?

They were 5th gear pulls......I don't mind giving this info until someone says I did it wrong.
  IF you think it was done wrong..Then it was done wrong the same way for every single combination!,  all the runs were done exactly the same with the shop owner operating the dyno and the bike.

Ken, you were invited by Mitch to test a couple times and didn't seem at all interested in allowing your optimum setup to be run for comparison...

Tested were two zillas in different states of tune. Predictably the results were similar on both quads.

A good pipe is a good pipe on either machine.

Mitch's quad performed best with the halls pipe.

 

If you were to show a run of your bike with the HPR and overlap it against the others. It would be on your optimized set up vs. non-optimized set ups. Hard to say, see this is how they run... When your bike is from your builder & tuned. Vs. the others.   My concern is you were mentioning that my "butt" dyno is off. And what I'm saying is when a bike is optimized for a given combination the results are obiviously better. In other words of course the HPR shows superior on your bike, duh. 

Like I said since the info is out now, why not share it with everybody to continue helping everybody out, I thought that was the motivation in the first place "Just to See.." I recall. All in fun Dale.

I'm glad you like your bike Ken.   I prefer to have the best info I can before I make changes.

I'm from Brooklyn and if we had the East Coast Shootout, the results would immediately be thrown in everybodys face.

Makes sense guys wanting as much info as possible when plunking down some bigger $$$ on a great new tech pipe.Every pipe manufacturer from FMF,PT and up advertises they have "the best" in one way or another so you have to have something to base your own opinions on.Ride someone elses ride,another knowledgable riders unbiased input and even some data on paper.We run MX and trails up here but by the sounds of it ya really can,t go wrong with any of the pipes tested as far as for duning?Really no knowledgable input from me as no sand around here.

The 4.5-5 sec pulls sound good to me...Was just curious because if enough pulls or long enough a hot pipe can creap the power peak up 250 RPM give or take as opposed to a "cold" pipe.

MY .02 on pipe marketing..well more like $ .0001

Most zilla owners are enthusiasts.  They probably already have a quad with a Bills, PT, FMF,CT etc...  If they are going to plunk down A lot of coin for one of these newer pipes they are asking themselves  THESE QUESTIONS...

1)  HOW DOES THIS PIPE COMPARE TO WHAT I AM CURRENTLY RUNNING AND HOW MUCH MORE POWER AM I GOING TO GAIN

2)  WHAT WILL THAT HP GAIN SHOWN ON THE DYNO FEEL LIKE TO ME?...WHAT DOES A 5 HP GAIN EQUATE TO ON THE HILL?  WILL I NOTICE A DIFFERENCE?  does it take 2 hp or 15 hp difference to feel and be faster?

If I were marketing these pipes for a living I would be asking myself who is my customer and what does he want to know before he buys...

These pipe tests are fine but why have you not shown a graph of the BEST runs from each pipe all laid on the same graph and throw in some of the older pipes for comparison.  I know I like my CT pipe MUCH better than the bills and paul turner I had.  But HP and more importantly FEEL wise how do the newer pipes compare to the old....answer that and you improve your chances of getting  the customer to upgrade?

Why have you not included a test of the older main stream pipes to show how much better all the new ones are......are thy 2,5,10 hp better.  Thats what sells your pipes.  I think all of the "new" pipe builder have missed the boat on marketing here.  Dont just test  the best of the best  show how much better they are than what they have.  Showing me on a graph may mean something to me or it may not..giving me a time improvement up a hill or over a course means more  showing a video of two quads with different pipes run side by side to me shows me more than a graph.  I personally dont know if someone can feel a 1, 2, 5 hp difference. I just dont know how much hp increase is needed to notice it.

Most people are not like me and spend a ton of money trying new things.  different carbs reeds pipes etc..But I had tried different set ups...I have been very happy for decades with my CT built.  Now I want more.  I talked A LOT, to a number of good builders, read a lot of internet posts from years past, talked to members here that were running different combos from different builders, and I have seen some of the builders stuff run strong at the dunes.  I just shipped my motor to one of these builders this week for carb, head,porting,intake, and exhaust.  Too bad my schedule wont let me get old blue back together before april. Too dam much snow right now anyways.

any way my .02 on how to sell more pipes...or not?

Quote from: B_Fuss on February 08, 2013, 07:16:07 pm

Guess I will have to get mine back up to par.  Then it can be used with v2.  It is a complete Q setup.....

Correct. And still the Hall pipe made more power on the Q motor than Q's pipe. Can you explain why Ken?

I don't think there was a Q motor there. Erbe said his was play dune port, but never said who it was done by. Anyway I'll wait to see the rest of the graphs. But thanks for the info and time spent guys.

Due to that we were paying by the hour and testing with four pipes and 2 quads took 5 hours and thats hauling azz to Git R Done, I would like to dyno with the old school pipes like the LRD, CT, FMF, Paul Turner pipes. Definitely would be a lot fun for more data to be shared on the site, and would be nice to meet up with other members. 

Butttt only if Dezsled changes pipes, damn he was fast!

The faster the pipe changes the faster we got to go eat lunch!

The costs of dynoing those extra four pipes would bring the total tab up to the price of a Halls #19!

I'm done with pipe discussions.
Not like anyone cares about what I say any more than I care about what anyone else says, but this is all ridiculous.
What started out as a simple test to see how outrageously priced pipes compare to each other has turned into some sort of cancerous bloated study with too many stupid variables that everyone wants to see.
When someone asks what the best pipe to run on their LT is, I'm going to tell them tobacco pipes.
Might even dyno one and give it some "real world" testing too.

Quote from: Alkyzilla on February 08, 2013, 05:02:47 pm

Quote from: Stpltn250r on February 08, 2013, 04:55:28 pm

Can anyone say what the mph was? 4th gear pulls?

They were 5th gear pulls......I don't mind giving this info until someone says I did it wrong.
  IF you think it was done wrong..Then it was done wrong the same way for every single combination!,  all the runs were done exactly the same with the shop owner operating the dyno and the bike.

I dont remember saying anything about it being done wrong. Just curious thats all. So relax. I  honestly dont give two chits about what the pipe did on Mitch or anyone elses bike for that matter. My motor set up isnt anywhere near this. Hell for all I know it could be less than what Mitchs bike did. Lol. I sure hope not. Like Cworobec said. Thanks for the time and money spent on comparing the two pipes. You guys can continue your pissing match on how the runs were dun and whos did what. Have fun.

 Chris my comment wasn't directed at you but just in general.  I know most guys here do appreciate the efforts to clear the air on this info and to all who do your welcome.  My No.1 point is just that the test was done the same across the board.  I have the info I wanted.

Heck yes. There is nothing that promotes the sport more than sharing information, knowledge, parts, etc. If there was only one fast bike in the world who the hell would you race against? Nobody cuz I wouldn't race ya!