Dale,
Point is, it's hard for me to believe that you and Mitch are unbiased in this instance (Mitch is selling pipes & you have spent and incredible amount of time, money, & effort with Jerry - that is not unbiased and transparent, great things have come out of it, but you are not independant).
There were over 60 runs according to you guys and we have one hand picked to run of a V1 vs. a V2. There is no HPR 19 curve. There is no DCS curve. Where's the overlay? Mitch is now modding his pipe gonna make more runs and then post results. How is that fair unbiased results? Show all the respective curves. I can't believe it would take that long to throw together a single graph showing the 4 contestants. All "best of" runs. Or we wait till after the weekend to get those? Why when they are done now.
Dale I really would like to see you and RK shoot it out, run what you brung. He wants pavement, you want olds. Hopefully there can be a common ground. Me racing you, would be like me racing Mitch, there are certain physics we can't overcome. I would have to starve myself for a year or two and still you would have me beat as a jockey when it comes to the scale. On a similar full wieght duner, with another heavywieght rider I'll run anyone. my bike is a small reed duner, no big carb or drag porting or lightwieght stuff.
This is more about the constant discrediting of RK's work, V-2 shows up in your hands & now Mitch's/powerpros pipe is getting modded, that was the whole point of not wanting the pipe to get into other peoples hands so it wouldn't get immediately copied, Ala AAEN. Now saying there is only 200rpm more frontside curve, and only 2HP more than the V1, if I remember correctly the HPR on the 2010 runs only barely eaked out 2HP more peak than the V1. Point is the pipes are not far appart in total HP (V2 vs HPR) From owning both I call BS that the HPR is that much stronger in the frontside than the V2.
Also I noticed the chart said Mitch was runing a 440 main jet, on a big reed duner with an 9" element filter. I'm runing a 470 main on an small reed with a 9" element filter. Seems kinda lean, I'm sure after a number of pulls there would be a major drop off in power with that jetting.
In the grand sceme I guess it doesn't make any difference. Just people reading this stuff really need to use their minds to get down to the truth.
Ken, This wasn't a pipe shoot out. I haven't said one word about the Hall pipe except confirming it does make more power.
I asked months ago what the difference in V1 and V2. We were led to believe it was re-designed pipe. I liked the possibility of more performance and know first hand the best way is a better pipe. I couldn't get the info I wanted so I had to get it myself. This is what I mean about a transparency issue. I'm now satisfied what the V2 is about, I will be gracious and say it is an improvement over the V1..but as a result of my testing you won't see one on my bikes.
At this point I think Mitch should remove all the graph posts, we own that info, if questions come up in the future regarding pipe differences we can certainly refer to it and give it out as an example of what we found during our testing... you or anyone else can believe the numbers or not.
And we will wait for your "group" to post up any data you would like to support any other difference between the V1 and V2.
And for all to know.. I did share the info with JH, it gives him another example of shorter run testing on an ATV dyno compared to his, and gave him permission to share at his discretion.