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Moved Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.RACE TIME
« on: February 09, 2013, 06:39:45 pm »
Thanks Alkyzilla.Good stuff suzukiquadracerhq
Can,t fix stupid.:)

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 06:46:10 pm »
my girlfriend likes it, lmao
i know what to tell Jerry when he builds my next top end, I dont have a girlfriend, I want the husbands port job. lol

thanks Dale
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 07:05:42 pm »
I want to build a trail Zilla with that ERBE 4.75 pipe. Wheelies anyone  +k2?

Also - no shame with rocking the Dr. Q V2 pipe. I can see where I feel the stronger pull through the powerband vs. the V1 I had. I have a HPR port/carb on a big reed motor and its just silly. 

 
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 07:17:47 pm »
Great post Dale.
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 07:20:54 pm »
Those are nice.  However, us fat boys want to see the torque curve.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 08:52:18 pm »
Here you go Bill.  I agree thats important stuff.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 09:20:27 pm »
B_Fuss...torque only tells part of the story, HP tells all of it.
There is no differentiation between HP and torque...they're not unrelated measurements telling different things.
HP is simply how much torque you're making at a certain RPM.
Think about it for a minute, if it was all about torque, then why aren't YOU turning the crank with a huge breaker bar?
I can torque a prop nut on my agcat to 750 ft/lbs which is equivalent to my duramax's output, that doesn't mean I can propel a truck 80mph down the highway hauling a trailer with nothing more than a breaker bar.
If I could crank out 750 ft/lbs on a breaker bar at 5,252RPM, I would be making 750HP (torque and HP measurements are ALWAYS the same at 5,252RPM).
Since I can only turn the breaker bar at maybe 1/2RPM, I'm not making any usable power (like .1HP, which is about right for a human).
That's the difference between HP and torque...torque is a static measurement and HP is how much torque you can produce at RPM.
If the torque curve was perfectly straight, maintaining 100 ft/lbs for example from idle all the way to redline, then the HP curve would be a straight diagonal line from one corner to the other on the graph, intersecting at 5,252RPM.
Torque measurements by themselves won't reflect any kind of useful information other than how all of the engine parts are tuned to each other.
The torque required for a certain task isn't very important, even if it's more than what your engine can produce, that's why we all have a transmission with different gear ratios and sprockets (gearing changes wheel torque output, so you can use the right gear to meet or exceed torque requirements)

Here's a simple thought experiment...a high strung streetbike engine vs. a V-twin torque monster.
The streetbike engine will produce 50 ft/lbs at 10,504RPM, the V-twin will produce 100 ft/lbs at 5,252RPM (twice the torque, half the RPM).
Both bikes are running the same exact speed in a drag race....the streetbike is in a lower gear because it's running at twice the RPM (let's say it a 2:1 drive ratio at the wheel) and the V-twin is in high gear (1:1).
Which one has more wheel torque?
A: They're both the exact same.
If they both have the exact same torque output, they should have the power to accelerate equally, correct?
Well, let's look at it a little closer.
The V-twin is making 100HP, the streetbike is making 135.6HP (using a torque to HP calculator)
All other things being equal in a perfect world (say both engines were swapped out on a testbed vehicle), the streetbike would win in a race due to having more HP, even though the engine itself is not making as much torque.


So when you see a graph with only HP measurements, just know that it's telling you USEFUL information.
If you want to get an idea of what the torque is on a HP only graph, just fill in this calculator to get the number:
http://ncalculators.com/electrical/horsepower-to-torque-calculator.htm

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 09:22:27 pm »
I want to build a trail Zilla with that ERBE 4.75 pipe. Wheelies anyone  +k2?

Also - no shame with rocking the Dr. Q V2 pipe. I can see where I feel the stronger pull through the powerband vs. the V1 I had. I have a HPR port/carb on a big reed motor and its just silly. 

 


 

 I agree thats a step up..one you would feel.....and you could take one more.  Of course I don't think you should just in case we go racing someday!  ;D

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 09:27:34 pm »
 Geez Cliff....Its saturday Night..!.. do we really have to think this much??  I certainly know who to come to with my next math question.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 09:38:12 pm »
Um ok peak torque at 5250.  Is a good rpm to roll on entering a large sweeping dune bowl.  Then I can pull a wheely past the others. Weeee

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 10:47:10 pm »
Dale, until you said that I had no idea it was Saturday.
Such is the life of a cropduster in the off-season LOL

B_Fuss...sorry if you didn't understand.
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 06:05:31 am »
Good Stuff..Dale.... D?   But im going to have to call JH and ask if i got the girlfriend port Job...LMFAO im pretty sure I didnt..lol

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 06:07:32 am »
dammm where is Kennerz, Mitch did you give him the boot again. lol
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 06:09:18 am »
Hmmmm... Looks like all Ken needed was two teeth off the rear sprocket. Or anyone with an HPR. I prefer a 15t counter.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 06:31:10 am »
Alright.,,,that was a bit of a stretch about the girlfriend, she likes it but won't get past 3rd gear and won't go up the hill, not yet anyway, maybe next trip.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2013, 06:38:19 am »
Hmmmm... Looks like all Ken needed was two teeth off the rear sprocket. Or anyone with an HPR. I prefer a 15t counter.

Thats what I thought too when I saw the road race vid..He hung in there really well for being such a big guy and then seemed to peak out.  Was there any mention of gearing on the bikes?

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2013, 07:01:44 am »
Hmmmm... Looks like all Ken needed was two teeth off the rear sprocket. Or anyone with an HPR. I prefer a 15t counter.

Thats what I thought too when I saw the road race vid..He hung in there really well for being such a big guy and then seemed to peak out.  Was there any mention of gearing on the bikes?

13-40. I asked them to do the same run with a 14t. I guess he would rather spend $900 than $19.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2013, 09:12:31 am »
where is the vid, Link
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2013, 09:28:57 am »
Great info Alkyzilla....Dam the the HPR19 has over 10 more hp than the Qv1 at 5500 rpm..in a grudge match race that would be a sledgehammer of an advantage!!

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2013, 10:19:20 am »
wicked
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2013, 11:37:53 am »
real close
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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2013, 01:56:33 pm »
Kennerz says, I'm out of gear.  And kevs bike is an 87. So his 5 th gear is a bit taller.   Still real close run

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2013, 02:42:06 pm »
The Kev vs. Kennerz race video is absolutely pointless to me.  Kennerz looks like he weighs about 300 pounds and Kev is like what 130? haha  Not to mention Kennerz doesn't even look like he's on the throttle.

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Re: Re: Dyno Testing! A few more pipe comparisons.
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2013, 02:50:14 pm »
only about 150lb difference for the riders, ken your bike run good, you guys should have switched bikes to see what would have happened then.

and why point me out Ken, you act like i am the only one talking.
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