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« on: November 15, 2013, 06:21:33 pm »
I have been working on this project for a while now in my spare time (which is non-existent). It is almost done at this point, so I thought I would share some pics from start to finish. Normally most guys do this as they progress, but everyone would be bored to death with this thread before I got done if I did it that way. I hope to have it finished this week or next, that won't be too bad. Lol

So my method was rolling long cones and cutting angled pieces out of them. I marked them with electrical tape, and cut the pieces out with a die grinder and cut off wheel.

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Re: My stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013, 06:25:35 pm »
After I had several pieces in a row cut out I would tape them together and fit it to the bike.




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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 06:29:11 pm »
Naturally this was a slow, tedious project with a lot of taping and grinding to get everything to fit how I wanted. When I was satisfied with a section I would go ahead and tack it together so it was more rigid to fit off of.


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Re: My stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2013, 06:40:40 pm »
wow that looks like a pain in the but. looks good tho

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Re: My stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2013, 06:50:15 pm »
Gorgeous, I want one!
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Re: My stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2013, 06:50:28 pm »
I was really happy when it got to this point. The only bad part was the hours and hours of welding ahead of me. Lol



Just so you guys know I am a machinist/welder for Kraft Foods, so sanitary pipe welding is part of my job. When pipe fitting you have perfectly smooth and square cuts ends that fit awesome. So really all you have to do is purge the pipe with argon and do a burn through fuse weld. It takes a little practice to get your power settings and speed down so that you burn through completely and evenly. A little too hot and your weld will sag, which isn't sanitary (or worse yet blow a hole). A little too cold and you won't burn all the way through, which isn't sanitary or strong.

Welding this pipe up wasn't as easy. My pieces fit decently, but not good enough to do a straight fuse weld. I had to rod fill these welds because I had plenty of gaps. Gap filling welds on thin sheet metal are a PITA. But all in all it turned out ok.


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Re: My stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2013, 06:59:26 pm »
I have the stinger welded in now, and I'm in the process of polishing/cleaning the welds up. I have the silencer made and mounted, but I don't have the pipe connecting the head pipe to the silencer made yet. And I still have to make mounting brackets, but the end is in sight. Lol

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Re: stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2013, 07:19:29 pm »
Bad azz! +k2

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2013, 07:48:23 pm »
Freakin awesome! I wish I had the skill and ability to do a project like that!! Super envious hope it finishes out nice and produces good power for you!

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2013, 08:11:28 pm »
Definitely cool! Gonna offer them to the public by chance?

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 08:36:46 pm »
Thanks for all the compliments guys. I truly hope it performs well. As far as offering it to the public, I have no plans to. I patterned this pipe very closely to my HPR19 hybrid pipe. I made a couple of small changes, and obviously my fabrication method made it impossible to nail the lengths down perfect.....but none-the-less it is more or less a copy of a Hall pipe. I have no desire to rip off Jerry's design and try to profit from it. Besides the fact that I would HAVE to buy a lot of equipment to start making them. Making it how I made this one, I'd have to charge like $5000 to make a profit..... (pg) sorry not gonna happen.

I think the best option is for everyone to pester Jerry in to making a stainless version of the HPR19.

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2013, 09:00:20 pm »
so you selling the other pipe. lmk
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 09:12:44 pm »
so you selling the other pipe. lmk

If you are referring to the hall pipe, then no it is for my hybrid. All I have for a zilla is a rusty, busted up q v1, stock pipe, and a trinity oof drag pipe.

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2013, 09:30:52 pm »
Nice work! Now hurry up and get a 250 version ready. +k2
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2013, 09:38:23 pm »
oh and that pipe look bad A$$..nice work
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Re: stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2013, 11:06:12 pm »
So many questions, first off, it looks slamming sexy!
1 what do you gain by using stainless steel?
2 is it heavier?
3 does the fact that it is made of stainless steel have any side effects on the engine?
4 can more people start doing this?
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 11:13:31 pm »
Cool to see what goes into fabbing up a cone pipe  sweet!

Making your own silencer also?
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2013, 11:43:19 pm »
So many questions, first off, it looks slamming sexy!
1 what do you gain by using stainless steel?
2 is it heavier?
3 does the fact that it is made of stainless steel have any side effects on the engine?
4 can more people start doing this?
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Thanks for the compliment! I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability, but I don't know the answer to some of them.

1. Stainless is like chrome that won't rust. That is my reason for using it. I shouldn't say it won't rust, but 304 stainless, which is what I used, is very rust and corrosion resistant. Much more so than chromed steel. At kraft we use 316 stainless for everything food contact, because it is even more corrosion resistant than 304, but for pretty much everything else we use 304. It stands up to pretty much everything but the most harsh acids and chemicals and salts, that are used during sanitation.

2. There isn't much weight difference between 304 stainless and mild steel per square foot, at the same thickness. I honestly don't remember which is heavier, but they are so close to the same weight there probably wouldn't be an once worth of difference if the same thickness was used.

3. This is one that I can't answer honestly. The power curve of a two stoke relies on the tuning of the pipe as much as any other factor. The tuning of the pipe relies heavily on the speed of sound. The speed of sound is affected by many things. Heat is one of the things that effects it. I can not say for sure how much the stainless steel will effect this. I hope the percentage of change is small enough that it is insignificant, but it will take a dyno test to prove it. If there is a change, I HOPE it is for the better and it somehow makes more power than the hall pipe!  +k2 I THINK it will be fairly insignificant with only a marginal difference than the hall pipe. At the end of the day I EXPECT it to still outperform my old Q v1 pipe.

Honestly though if it is close enough to the Q pipe that I don't see a noticeable loss in power I will be satisfied. The bike runs freaking hard with a Q v1 pipe. :)

4. Honestly the fabrication wasn't easy. I have 20 years of fab experience and do it professionally. I wouldn't expect most people to be able to pull one off that was nice, however I recall a guy making a hard running pipe out of a microwave..... So anything is possible

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 11:49:58 pm »
Cool to see what goes into fabbing up a cone pipe  sweet!

Making your own silencer also?
Well I'm fairly certain the pro's are using software to generate a 3d view of the pipe, then generating an exact flat layout. From there you can use a bandsaw, laser, water jet, etc to cut the pieces out precisely. After words you roll them into the individual cones. That would be easier if I had the software to generate the view and flat layouts. All I have is a minor in math, and an old triangulation method sheet metal layout book. The tapering elbow triangulation layout is a PITA. So I didn't do it. I used a brute force trial and error method combined with 20 years of fab experience....not exactly the ideal setup, but it worked for me

On the silencer.....Sorta....not really. I had a pure Polaris dual exhaust setup off of my 525 irs outlaw that I am no longer using. Each silencer was almost the exact same size as the silencer hall made for my HPR19. Luck I guess :) All I had to do was make a mounting bracket.

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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2013, 12:52:59 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2013, 02:48:01 pm »
Looks good bro. And i also remember kirks microwave pipe tearing it up. The cone how was that to make?
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2013, 02:58:21 pm »
I concur.

I have to work to keep my HPR 19 from rusting, Jerry how much for a stainless version? Probably have to sell a kidney to afford it  :D
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2013, 04:10:06 pm »
Stainless steel is more difficult to cut, roll and weld than cold rolled steel.  Back purge welding is required when welding stainless or the pipe will crack in the welds.  I know how much time it takes for us to make a HPR 19 with patterns.   Looking at your craftsmanship I think that I can see at least 25 to 40 hours of passion on your good looking project.

Stainless steel does not transfer heat as quickly or does not store as much heat as cold rolled steel.  These two facts will make a stainless steel pipe of the same dimensions and thickness as a steel pipe, come up to temperature a little quicker and will shift the power and torque peaks to a slightly higher RPM. 

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Re: stainless lt-500r exhaust project
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2013, 07:50:36 pm »
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