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My oven isn't big enuff, so ill have settle with getting baked myself
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1 grand for a exhaust!? Good god.
after seeing the pipe and knowing the amount of time involved in making them i dont think jerrys getting rich on making pipe... dez keep it raw bud makes it look tough as hell plus that cratsmanship i couldnt bring myself to coat mine i just wipe it down with wd-40 after rides or tranny fluid if its gonna sit a while. -
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Give it a high gloss blue finish!
Have someone polish it up, then using the same bluing process that gunsmiths use, you could have a shiny black pipe that looks like black chrome.
Posted a thread on the old forum, but it's worth bringing up again.
The bluing process is corrosion resistant, and by itself will resist rust much better than wiping the pipe down with oil.
However, due to the nature of the finish, it will actually absorb and hold oil...so if you wipe it down with oil, it'll have even better resistance to rust and you won't have to do it as often.
Think about how your pipe would look with this finish:
Or go with a niter bluing and really have a unique finish on your pipe:
Depending on how the pipe takes to the niter bluing process, you might end up with something like this:
If it ends up like that, you will be required to add some leather saddlebags, longhorn handlebars, Winchester rifle holster, and cover your seat in this material:
Oh, and spurs.
You'll need spurs on your riding boots.
Bonus points if you wear a helt-pro:
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1 grand for a exhaust!? Good god.
Yeah but... You seen the dumont dunes videos. You gotta pay to play!
$1000 still boggles my mind for that much you'd think it'd be stamped or at least nickel plated. Not saying I don't want one just that its a huge cost for something that on Dale's bike on a dyno made only 2 more horses than my v1 Q pipe and redlined 600-700 rpms sooner. -
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Buckeye go back and look at the graphs again, On Dales Quad, the HPR19 just at 5500 rpm was making 10 hp more than the V1, and 4-5 hp more than the V2 across the curve, it was peak hp where they were 2 hp apart, those test set fire to my azz to get the DCS-5 to get close to those numbers.
HPR19 is a work of art, you have to understand metal fabrication to appreciate the craftsmanship and detail on this exhaust system, In the beginning back in 2010 I used to say the same thing $1000 for a pipe, and was leery due to the testing back then seemed very biased against Q , but seeing the the graphs on a ATV Dyno its all about respect to Mr Hall, the V2 will be hitting $900 I hear when the next batch comes out, When you really think about it the pipe is the most major item the LT500 needs other than porting.
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I completely agree with what you're saying Mitch I'd still for $1000 want a stamped not coned pipe and for it to be plated. I would love to own a HPR#19 pipe but I just don't have $1075.00 for the pipe and ride plus $150-200 to get up plated in nickel. I have $575 in my v1 Q pipe and its already plated. So 50% of the cost and 5500 rpm is great but in a drag race you're never at 5500 if you are you're on the losing lane anyway no matter what pipe you have. You mention porting my port work bore head work and carb bore is 1/3rd the cost of what HPR quoted me is there really 2/3rds more power potential from a port job? So say my port job gets me 65hp with my q pipe would Jerry's port job get me 85 or more? Because that's what the cost suggests.
Dez I'd look into that blue coating that westtex was talking about be slick to have a black chrome gun metal finish. -
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Might keep it bare for a while, but either way that pipe is the top performer right now.
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Absolutely it's big dog on the block or king of the hill. And congrats on two of them I thought you only had one Zilla though.
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buckeye make a trip to pa. ill let you make some runs on my bike. after your done wiping the poop from your britches you'll understand you get what you pay for.
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Cunningham what part of PA? I have family in Pittsburgh if you're not far I'd definitely make the trip and bring my bike as well once its done in the next few weeks. And don't take what I'm saying the wrong way I definitely appreciate Jerry's knowledge and experience. I just don't know what one port job to the next could make it worth almost triple the money there's only so much you can do to intake and exhaust ports.
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To make a stamped pipes you need the stamping templates, they run from $2500 to $5000 depending where you go, and this is an out of pocket up front expense.................. I really dont see that many LT500 pipes being sold to cover the cost.
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Nice insight into what it takes to fab up a cone pipe.
I like the old school look of coned pipes... -
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I completely agree with what you're saying Mitch I'd still for $1000 want a stamped not coned pipe and for it to be plated. I would love to own a HPR#19 pipe but I just don't have $1075.00 for the pipe and ride plus $150-200 to get up plated in nickel. I have $575 in my v1 Q pipe and its already plated. So 50% of the cost and 5500 rpm is great but in a drag race you're never at 5500 if you are you're on the losing lane anyway no matter what pipe you have. You mention porting my port work bore head work and carb bore is 1/3rd the cost of what HPR quoted me is there really 2/3rds more power potential from a port job? So say my port job gets me 65hp with my q pipe would Jerry's port job get me 85 or more? Because that's what the cost suggests.
These are the guys I love to pull up next to at the Hill....!!
Hey Dez.. Keep in mind if you want to plate it down the road you will have to have it Hot Tanked and made really clean again at a radiator shop or someplace like that. No plater will put it in their chemical tank after its been run.
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I completely agree with what you're saying Mitch I'd still for $1000 want a stamped not coned pipe and for it to be plated. I would love to own a HPR#19 pipe but I just don't have $1075.00 for the pipe and ride plus $150-200 to get up plated in nickel. I have $575 in my v1 Q pipe and its already plated. So 50% of the cost and 5500 rpm is great but in a drag race you're never at 5500 if you are you're on the losing lane anyway no matter what pipe you have. You mention porting my port work bore head work and carb bore is 1/3rd the cost of what HPR quoted me is there really 2/3rds more power potential from a port job? So say my port job gets me 65hp with my q pipe would Jerry's port job get me 85 or more? Because that's what the cost suggests.
These are the guys I love to pull up next to at the Hill....!!
Hey Dez.. Keep in mind if you want to plate it down the road you will have to have it Hot Tanked and made really clean again at a radiator shop or someplace like that. No plater will put it in their chemical tank after its been run.
I still haven't gotten one hint of an answer as to what's so special about a port job that makes it 3 times more expensive than another port job. The majority of port jobs are done off templates so one is basically identical to the next from my understanding of good machine port work.
I used to work for a company that would charge three times as much as pretty much everyone else for basically the same thing. Got away with it because they marketed toward low income poorly educated demographics. They go into the smarter more high priced high class parts of town and get laughed out the front door. This is the reasoning for my questioning not taking a shot at Jerry or anyone who uses him. Like I said before would love to have had him do my work his price was just way to rich for my blood. So mock me all you want but generally speaking it usually is the guy with the deepest pockets that is the fastest up the hill or down the strip. But then again I've walked many extremely expensive built drag bikes on my dads mildly built kfx400. -
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If you didn't see the dumont dunes showdown videos you should go have a look. The answer is in the vids... You have seen them right?
Performance costs money, how fast do you want to go?
Thanks for the tip Dale, I knew it needed to be cleansed but didn't know a radiator shop could do it.
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I saw one race and one bike length win and a line get cut off once a length was taken. If your basis for anything regarding racing is based on the outcome of one race than your perception is misguided to say the least. I also saw one bike have ten pattle haulers and the other have sand skate 2's and in one video could hear people commenting on Q's tire selection and that they couldn't believe he was running that tire. Ill say it again I don't doubt Jerry's knowledge or ability I would just like someone to justify paying 3 times as much for something when there's only so much a port job can do for performance gains and only so much that can be done in regards to porting. And who's to say they run that race 10 times Q doesn't win 4-6 of them its not like Dale won by 8 lengths or something.
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Dude your going on over and over like a broken recod.
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Because still nobody has answered my question. Performance costs money I know like I said earlier usually the guy with the deepest pockets wins but not always and I've been on the winning side of that battle more times than I should have been if its all about how much money you throw at a machine.
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The reason for the price being way higher is because people will pay for it.
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Buck you need to go start your own thread and quit muddying up this one.
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Sorry Dez. Thanks moto for a logical answer.
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yeah the x19 is on the $$$ side, but its just like anything else in this world, u get what u pay for, i had the aaen before, it was almost unreal how much harder my bike pulled with just the pipe swap
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It cool, you were just stuck on the $$$ HPR products costs. That's not the point, there are many others that are looking for a proven product.
I can totally relate to scoring on a killer deal as you did on your Q V1. I paid almost what you did for the DCS 4.
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I'm not stuck on the price of the hpr19 I understand that. I think for that much it should come stamped or plated but that's my opinion. I didn't get a deal on a Q pipe I paid market value for a used Q v1 pipe.
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