Sorry crash Lander, not  trying to be technical but im about a 30 min drive to the sand dunes and go through out the year so i try to be specific about what spot so i can meet up at the correct one.i don't say lets meet at glamis when I'm actually at Gordon wells or buttercup. Had some issues with that before trying to find some friends haha. It sucks trying to find someone at comp hill when they are actually at competion hill!