I hear the 4 snow are knock offs of the wonderful pro wedge II. I guess they don't flex as well or something ? But if you wanna seriously hill climb the pro wedge II are way to go. As for new pro wedges the one guy in the vid on a red/white 250r (nicknamed preacher) stockpiles them cause another one of them guys can get them new from a Honda shop. Preacher sells them for $120 a set. Buckeye where do you live it may be worth the drive to come up here and rip with us for a weekend once we get our sh!t back from matt. pitrone you should see how far you are away also.