I'm not sure what got in zillafreaks butt but just know one thing, the rear factory hubs on my 85' 250R slid right onto my 87' 230E. If I looked closer I'd probably find more stuff that the quadracer influenced. As a matter of a fact the a arm bushings on the 230E look very close to the 250R's. So I guess you could say they were in a way intertwined. It may be an inferior quad but I think he's wanting to change that. Am I the only one reading what redwhiteblue posted? And besides, if he has the money, I'm sure he will find someone who can help him. If you don't have anything nice to say, find somewhere else to vent.