My set-up is a +3 metal tech swinger with a jj@a banshee axle. I had a linked swinger with a shaw and it felt like poop I always figured because the shaw was so short? (13 1/2 compared to 15 1/2) plus the link set-up puts alot more leverage on the shock with a + sized swinger. This no link set-up is nice can be set real nice feeling but then again I dont ride dunes either I think that the angle of the shock makes a diffrence.