Ok i get what your sayin here.. Once i get this arm welded up i will fit it on the bike with some photos to see how it sits. Ima make a -1 also and then stock size to compare. I guess i am thinkin if the swinger is shorter than the bike will sit higher than stock which is what i dont want. A lower center of gravity would be nice. I have +2+1 on the bike also so the wheels are a lil more fwd than stock. I think that would help also with the shorter swinger to.