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Suzuki Conversions (Hybrids) => Hybrid - General Discussion => Topic started by: Cartee#2 on May 21, 2013, 12:20:29 pm
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Completely hand fabbed, welded, and built by myself including the engine. Powerplant is 1987 Suzuki LT500R Quadzilla 88mm bore x 86mm stroke hand ported/polished fed by 40mm Lectron dual stack pro carb. Purposely built for motocross only. Nowhere near finished but soon to have it's maiden voyage before being stripped back down for PC if everything goes accordingly.
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22 hours on frame hacking, mocking up, and finally welding in mounts and gussetts. Built in 4 days of solid work. Pretty proud of myself honestly. Before you go to bashing me on the welds like others did.... they are rooted and not capped yet. I was running low on gas and had other things that needed welded before I put the finishing cap on all of them.
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Where are the pics?
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Chassis is a 2007 LTR450, lowered subframe, and full long travel suspension Laegar's A-arms with Fox Floats, factory LTR swingarm with Fox Podium single rate remote rezzie and Walsh long travel linkage. This is what I'll be riding at the Loretta Lynn's National this year due to transmission failure on my 09 LTR450.
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This hybrid will get a lot of attention do to the fact that you are probably one of the 1st to attempt the LTR-500 hybrid. Keep the pics coming & be sure to document everything.
p.s. - I've thought of doing this same thing for a duner so let me know how she handles
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The first initial mock up went great but the final building is slow going right now mostly due to the fact that I'm laid off work. I'm hoping to hit some humps and jumps on it by the weekend. I'll also have the dry weight listed soon. The hardest thing to do for me was sacrifice that factory shock mount and reinforce it enough to clear the 40mm Lectron carb bell and custom build the exhaust which I'm really honestly not happy with. It's too small for my likings but any bigger and it'll burn the **** out of my leg when I get her into a corner. I'll keep ya'll updated but like I said between job hunting, shade-treeing, and paying bills she's a slow process at this point. Not bad for a 22 year old Redneck, eh? lol and thats not my liquid encouragement in those pics, i stay sober as a burnt stump, but my buddies like to knock em down!
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You need a JH hybrid exhaust for that puppy
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Point me in the right direction lol, I was thinking about hauling it to AAEN and see what they could come up with but I'm open for all suggestions! The exhaust I made started out as a 85 Tecate 3 Coffman, factory LT500 neck, with a FMF ATC extention. Hook me up! I don't want my only other option to be an ol FTZ OOF drag pipe for MX lmao.
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Jerry Hall 623-931-8132
He has THE pipe proven in the dyno testing!
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Where's he located? I'm sure i'd have to take the whole quad to him to make the correct fit. Any pics?
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That's slickern owl **** right there! I know it's kinda hard to say since your not the man behind the tig rig but reckon bout how long it'd take him to build me one for my quad? Being that it's in an 07 LTR450 frame I'm sure he'd basically have to start from scratch and what's the price range I'm looking at? I'm also in serious need of a good reed cage setup, clutch basket, clutches, water pump bolt(or whole shi-bang), and maybe a good HC head. Engine is set-up at zero deck height now with stock head. Fairly new to the quadzilla engine but i did make my old 86 LT250R run 8.30's in an 8th mile when i was 12-13 years old with several mods to the motor. I just remember it was hell to make the clutch not slip. Any tips for big power on the 87 Zilla would be greatly appreciated. Planning on running the Loretta Lynn national on this bike in August.
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Call Jerry he will answer all your questions. Price wise he's expensive but you get what you pay for and Jerry is arguably the best there is when it comes to the LT500. Clutch basket go with a Hinson Jerry has a 9 plate Kevlar clutch that will tolerate up to 70 ft lbs I'm about to order that set up for my zilla. Reed cage V2's are the best if you can find them and a good mx port job will get you squared away. Won't be cheap because unlike the newer bikes or banshees there's not a ton of aftermarket stuff and the stuff that's really good is custom made by guys like Jerry.
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I guess I'll wait a few weeks and call him up, no need in wasting his time when my wallet's suffering from the lay off.
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Cartee is the second one to attempt an LT500R powered LTR-450 FWIW.
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Who was the first? I want a yfz450 chassis lt500/cr500/kx500 hybrid.
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Here it is. I saved from long ago when I was going to do this. But that's a story no one cares to hear.
"The rear motor/swingarm pivot mount is the same width on the LTR450 as it is on the LT500....the only difference is that the LTR450 swingarm bolt is a larger diameter so the rear mount on the 500 will have to be bored to the same dia as the 450 swingarm bolt. The front sprocket on the 500 seems to line up in the stock position on the swingarm as the 450 sprocket did. The kickstarter looks like to have plenty of clearence to miss the frame. All of the other engine mounts will have to be fabricated. I still have some other clearence issues to check out when I get some of the other parts installed on the frame.
I have a new set of 500 cases that I am going to get the pivot mount bored out and do a complete mock up of the 500 in the 450 frame.
I got the cases back from the machinist the other day and had to find out if I was right about the engine/swingarm mount....slid the swingarm bolt thru the frame/swingarm/engine/swingarm/frame....tightened it up....WOW! Perfect fit! One down, more to go.....
Found out real quick that the rear stock shock will not work....will have to use a aftermarket rear shock setup w/remote rezzie so I have the clearence for the pipe and the carb. The stock rear shock has the "built in" rezzie that interferes where the carb needs to go.
I also mounted the radiator.....plenty of clearence between it and the front of the QZ engine. Thinking about using the 12v fan on it too.
The airbox will have to be custom made. The stock airbox has the inlet hole (carb) and the pipe offset that is formed on the airbox.... both on the wrong side.
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I had thought about doing the extended LT500 bolt and making bushings to fit in the LTR450 swingarm to fit the LT500 bolt also.....problem is that I would have to make bushings for the LTR450 frame too. It can be done this way if one wants to do it that way."
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I didn't have to mess with swing arm pivot bolt holes on mine. Nice and snug, but yet still pivots freely with zero drag. I also cut the factory LTR450 oil tank tubes completely out of the way to clear an exhaust better and welded in gussets. It's not a hard conversion to do, especially if your not going to motocross it. You could just cut the original top rear shock mount off completely and build it from scratch once everything was mounted, but ride height and handling was key to me for MX. I just cut the right side of the upper shock mount off as close to the mounting tab as possible and did some reconstructive surgery on her. Now I can clear almost any carb no problem and never worry about it breaking either. There's a guy on youtube from france or australie, something like that, who built a YFZ/LT500R hybrid for motocross and has performed really well on it. I'll be running all long travel Fox Float/Laegars setup up front, Stock Swingarm/Walsh Linkage/Fox Podium single rate remote rezzie rear, 40mm Lectron, custom alluminum airbox etc etc etc. More pics to come when I get it rolling(1-3 days).
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That thing is gonna be sick!
You might share some of your secrets with the other guy on here that was building one. Or, better yet, give us a detailed break down (when you're done) on all the problem areas and how you corrected them and i'll sticky it. Keep us updated!
Also, Jerry Hall is an active member on this site. His user is motorgeek.
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I ported it myself. Not my first rodeo on that scene lol. I have the engine altogeth now with the crappy clutch basket and screwed up water pump, bout to mount it and my suspension, make sure it's firing and crank it a few times before I tear it back down and put all new stuff in it. Also going to experiment with a motoplat mini flywheel set-up and timing plate that picked my old LT250R up 3 tenths in an 8th mile..... it fires so hard that it literally will bring you to your knees if not put you on the ground.(Ol 250 leaned out on alcohol and had to jerk the coil wire off when I was 15 and I've never been electricuted like that by anything in my life) Pics tonight, mind you she's uglier than sin at the moment but that's the least of my owrries. Function>Form.
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I didn't have to mess with swing arm pivot bolt holes on mine. Nice and snug, but yet still pivots freely with zero drag.
I lied to ya'll by accident. I just f--ked up bad. I was using a YFZ450 swingarm bolt during mock up and once I started putting my suspension on it I used a factory LTR450 swing arm bolt and it didn't want to go, so what'd i do? Yep, drove it halfway in before realizing my mistake. Now it's stuck tighter than dick's hat band and I've been cussing up a storm trying to get it out with no luck. I can't believe I just screwed everything up over a dumbass mistake like that.
NOTE: USE A YFZ450 SWINGARM PIVOT BOLT!
Any ideas on how to get it out without using a dye-tool and slitting the Zilla cases where the bolt goes through? If I have to I will but I know when i weld it back it's going to draw up and be even tighter. Tight's good when it comes to females but not so great when it comes to suspension travel..... I oughta be slapped. I know better.
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The other guy bored the cases so the ltr bolt and bearings would fit. Won't there be slack if you use the yfz?
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I used the YFZ swing arm collars too in the mock up. I just didnt realize it til it was too late when I started putting it together. I have to get this LTR bolt out and need some input as it's going nowhere fast and at this point I don't care if it messes the bolt up. I have about 5 more lol. But yes if you use the YFZ bolt and LTR swing arm collars(bushings) there will be a tad amount of play, less than a mm of wiggle. OD is the same on both but the ID is a little smaller on the YFZ collars.
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You're gunna have to hit it from the other side with a punch or something man. Maybe heat just the tail of the cases with like a little propane torch to get just the slightest bit of pressure off the bolt
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Little cold air, little hot air, wala magic. ****'s out now and still useable after I ran the thread chaser over it. I thought I had screwed the whole project up with that simple mistake.
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Here is a z400/lt500 hybrid
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Looks good!
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Big Bertha Bob with her flip flops on!
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Sick setup
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X2
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Preciate it!
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She should run nice and cool with that monster LTR radiator!
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Yeah hopefully it will. A lot of the 2 strokes fade bad at the nationals, especially the apex's due to heat exhaustion. Go from 170lbs of compression at the beginning of practice to about 55-70lbs tops at the end of qualifying.... rings rings rings and more rings.
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That looks slicker'n owl chit!!!
Now post up a picture of the lowered banshee and the Tecate behind it :P LOL
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FOR SALE: 3800$ Bottom Dollar!
99 Banshee, 4mil stroker motor, ported/polished, 34mm Mikuni flat slides, Grand River Drag Pipes, Cool Head 17cc domes, Boost ported pistons, 6 passes on engine since rebuilt from bottom to top. 4.40's 300ft of dirt(not plowed) 7.60-70's in 1/8th mile asphault.
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Ok I can't find the wiring harness to this thing anywhere.... Anybody want to share some input on how to build one? Will my old 250 one work? All i have is the 4 wires coming out of the stator.
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It's wired for sound but no spark at coil wire with plug boot off. No lights so i just taped the Y/R tracer wire from stator up and wired in teather kill switch and grounded everything good. What normally goes bad Stator, CDI, or Coil?
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Ditched the stator. Mounted a nice shiny motoplat mini-flywheel with a timing advance/retard plate 17 degrees either way. I'll find some hidden power one way or another lol. Maybe have pics of it tomorrow. Just have to wait til one of my buddies with a smart phone comes over. Someone jacked my camera last year at a race and my phone's camera sucks donkey balls.
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She got fire yet???
And nice shee!! Now what about the green machine behind it with the tripples dropped way down on the forks??????
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86 Tecate 3 in mint condition besides frame being roughed up in areas. Was daddy's pride and joy but the engine got stolen from my papaws shop a few years ago where we had it stored because we had ran out of room and it was locking up so daddy took it off and had it in a box with a new rod kit and milled head. They got it, my 04 YFZ motor that had locked up, 3 good 250R motors, one with a 310 Rotax Powervalve cylinder, 77 Ford F150(maybe F100?) and a **** ton of other metal objects and took them straight to the scrap yard. The Tecate 3 motor went low 8.00's during the heat of the day and 7.80-90's at night on alcohol. His feelings were hurt so bad..... he don't do anything but cuss everytime he looks at it. "Buncha GD thieving, non working, sorry mf'n, **** ass crooks done stole my ****!" About his exact owrds everytime someone new comes to the shop and asks about it. Then it's followed by, "want to sell it?" And then, "I'd rather burn this whole place down with you in it than answer that." My dad gets attached to his toys!
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She got fire yet???
Sorry forgot that one, but yeah it should, going to dig through the 50,000 toats of parts we have to find the right coil and CDI for the motoplat unit tomorrow so I dont have to splice new stuff in, but it ran great last time we used it!
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86 Tecate 3 in mint condition besides frame being roughed up in areas. Was daddy's pride and joy but the engine got stolen from my papaws shop a few years ago where we had it stored because we had ran out of room and it was locking up so daddy took it off and had it in a box with a new rod kit and milled head. They got it, my 04 YFZ motor that had locked up, 3 good 250R motors, one with a 310 Rotax Powervalve cylinder, 77 Ford F150(maybe F100?) and a **** ton of other metal objects and took them straight to the scrap yard. The Tecate 3 motor went low 8.00's during the heat of the day and 7.80-90's at night on alcohol. His feelings were hurt so bad..... he don't do anything but cuss everytime he looks at it. "Buncha GD thieving, non working, sorry mf'n, **** ass crooks done stole my ****!" About his exact owrds everytime someone new comes to the shop and asks about it. Then it's followed by, "want to sell it?" And then, "I'd rather burn this whole place down with you in it than answer that." My dad gets attached to his toys!
Some folks just don't have a filter!!! I'd feel the same way man!
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Cranked it today. Didn't get to ride it, don't have a clutch cable for it yet and they clutch fibers need replaced but I'm impressed. Retarded the timing 6 degrees and placed a tach on the coil wire and she revved to 14k and got there extremely quick. Couldn't get the Lectron to idle or rev without a hesitation so guess what she got? Yep, 38mm flat slide Mikuni with 300 main jet. Idles,revs, ROARS like a LION! Downside..... when i pulled the teather the first time it shot fire through the end cap of it about a foot to my hand and put me on my ass. Anyone know why?
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There is no way a 500 is revving to 14k.
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13,8-- on the tach so i round it up. Not saying the tach is accurate, not say it's not either. Motor isn't stock. Pro lite piston with skirt trimmed about as much as possible, boost ported also. Motoplat Ignition system tha doesnt use a CDI box, just a coil, mini flywheel, and a timinig plate, BR7es plug. Like I said though, the tach may or may not be accurate i'm just stating what it read. No reason to lie about it. I couldn't care less what it said as long as it runs good.
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This is the ignition.
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I have the "big" version of that ignition system for my 76 Penton. I love the looks on people's faces when they don't see a CDI or points LOL I also like how extremely adjustable the timing is!!!! The Penton has 3 different plates that can be adjusted to advance/retard fire. Mine doesn't have the mini flywheel. It's still STUPID light though.
You may not have a good ground on your ground side of the tether. That could cause it to shoot you lol
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I say your tach is messed up. Some of the best Zillas are only going past 8000 range. Then other fall off before 8,000.
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I say your tach is messed up. Some of the best Zillas are only going past 8000 range. Then other fall off before 8,000.
I'll take that a lot easier than a straight bash. I did some digging around for some info on the tach and they don't have many good reviews at all and dad said it read awful high on my little brothers apex too. Somewhere close to 10k and had a delay to it, like it climbed on decel instead of right when you rev it but it didn't have the lag on the 500 motor.
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What ach do you have?
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It doesn't say on it anywhere but it looks like a works connection.... not the hour meter and tach one it's just a tach only.
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I have the hour/tach one. It is kinda finicky and can give a bad reading if you don't wrap the wire right lol
Like my stock 110 revving 8000 lol
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I took it off and chunked it lol.
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Daaaaaayyyyuuuummmmmmm I take it you don't have a silencer on it yet? And it's always good to head a 500 revved like an 80 or 250 LOL!! Honestly though, I have yet to hear anyone really ring out a Zilla. Not even duners!! That put put it around till they get to a hill then go up it. That counts as ringing it out about as much as drag racing. IT DOESN'T!!! Lol (THAT'S NOT HATERAID, GUYS, CALM DOWN)
I can't wait to see you running that thing!! I'm kinda curious about how that pipe is gunna make it act though. It looks more suited for a 125 dirt bike than for a 500 But hey,,,,,, never know!!!
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Look on 2nd page where I uploaded the pics and next to last one you can see my silencer and how its mounted. Needs a repacking I'm sure and the exhaust I think will be alright for where I need my power the most for motocross. I won't know for sure til I hit the practice track though. Still needing a few more things before I can ride it like new clutches, clutch cable, water pump kit, fresh rings, and gonna finish stripping the engine of paint and polish it up then clear coat it with high temp paint. Gonna put new gaskets in it everywhere, new seals, check all bearings again since it's finally been cranked from sitting 7 years and build the motor back perfect and new as possible everywhere, or as needed. Get my frame and suspension PC'd and have it ready to go by beginning of july and practice on it everyday to get the feel for it..... Then I'm planning on busting out the gate in open A or B(B probably) like a bat outta burnt stump at Lorretta Lynn's National mid August. Hopefully I can get some looks and hook up with a sponsor again.
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So are you kick starting it or starting it off the fly wheel? Just wondering if you're able to kick it over and start it with those nerf bars and heel guards.
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Kickstart. It's a motocross quad. I'd hate to have to leave the stator cover off and wear a backpack during a race carrying a 19.2v Craftsman electric impact just to crank it if I wadded up or something. Kicker was heavily modified to clear everything.
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Can you post up a picture of that? It's hard to see in your other pictures and impossible to see in the video. Thanks! Awesome build btw I'm planning on doing the same thing with any of the 450 chassis preferably they yfz or ltr.
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Sorry it took so long. I'm back working 60hrs a week again. Hopefully get some more tonight of it all together with plastics. Im also not done with the kicker, i have some welding to do on it for strength and support and im gonna use my band saw and cut the snap ring groove wider and deeper to hold a fatter one for more support.
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Dios Mio! Is that thick enough?
Would it have been easier to cut the frame like a normal Hybrid?
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Testing will see how that will work, hope it don't let go mid kick!
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Well if it does break, it's not like it'll hurt anything.
Now, if the trimming was done halfway up the kickstarter, I would be afraid.
Very afraid LOL
Seems like there's still enough meat left in that area for strength.
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Well if it does break, it's not like it'll hurt anything.
Now, if the trimming was done halfway up the kickstarter, I would be afraid.
Very afraid LOL
Seems like there's still enough meat left in that area for strength.
I'm going to weld the right angle seem up a little and it won't break there. I've cranked it probably 40 times now and kicked it well over 100(playing with timing) and theres no stress cracks yet but it most definitely could break if it wanted to lol.
Testing will see how that will work, hope it don't let go mid kick!
Yeah that'd probably be painful. The snap ring I feel is the weak point which is being addressed aswell. Gonna go thicker, tighter, and wider from ID to OD of snap ring.
Dios Mio! Is that thick enough?
Would it have been easier to cut the frame like a normal Hybrid?
No. Cutting the frame was definitely the first thought but with the measurements needed, it would've needed to been cut 2 1/4" above swingarm pivot hole and and 3/8" behind it then filled with square tubing and shaped up. It would've have severely weakened the structural integrity of the frame itself and put more load/stress on it elsewhere when landing. I thought cutting the kicker down would be best, cheapest, and easiet to replace if it failed.
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What's going on with this build?
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Nothing much working everyday now. Almost finished but still havent ridden it or got to finish the clutch internals.
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I just tried they're blury I'm doing this on my iPhone though. It looks good man need to get some video when you ride it. I am so gonna do this for my trail bike at some point.
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I will definitely have a video and some feedback on it for sure. As to say when... well, your guess is as good as mine at this point. Pushing 70hrs a week now and no time for anything, not even the chick.
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I totally hear you man I do between 65-80 a week I only see my son for a half hour each morning I get home and my family is all in bed sometimes I stay late at the shop and take care of odds and ends on my zilla build. I'm still waiting on my top end which has me at a stand still.
I'm gonna post one of the ones I saved never mind it sucked.
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Can't wait to see the 4 stroke that sounds like a 500 two stroke!
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Luckily it doesn't look naked without rad shrouds. When I put em on the left one was against the exhaust bad so I trimmed the tabs off the bottom of the tank cover and it looks somewhat like it should have came that way, lol. Also using a YFZ hood trimmed up for it, whatcha thank?
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Looks factory, I had to take a second look ...
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Fixed one, but def not going through that agin lol. Enjoy. And seriously, it looks better in person.
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Off work today, gonna try to get as much done as possible to finish it up enough to ride. Will be off 4 days on 4th of July so definitely will get some seat time and final report along with all the ins and outs.
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I'm probably as excited for you to ride this as you are! Can't wait to hear all about how it does and any problem you run into.
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lol i've worked on it so much i'm sick of even looking at it
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But all the work pays off when you open it up for the first time.
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Your probably right, but yet I've ran into another problem. I thought I had all the parts to do the water pump aswell but it seems like I have the wrong impeller? It just flops on the shaft which isn't doing me any good. Anyone know if the 250 stuff will work? Or can someone snag a pic of the 500 impeller for me? I have all the clutch internals in and now just need the right impeller and new gaskets for stator and clutch cover. Thanks for the help guys.
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Did u replace the rubber backed washer that goes with it?
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But all the work pays off when you open it up for the first time.
Yeah, until something stupid breaks on the second ride and you're down for another week.
That's my luck anyway LOL
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The impellers tend to wear out of the shaft area. Common problem.
The 250 impeller is not the same as the 500.
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can not wait to see you beat the brains out of this thing on the track dude. I really hope you have a GoPro!!
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Screw that chuckie I hope the guy behind him has a gopro!! Lol
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Did u replace the rubber backed washer that goes with it?
Yeah, the one behind the impeller?
But all the work pays off when you open it up for the first time.
Yeah, until something stupid breaks on the second ride and you're down for another week.
That's my luck anyway LOL
You've got me figured out lol
The impellers tend to wear out of the shaft area. Common problem.
The 250 impeller is not the same as the 500.
Ten 4! Thanks bud.
can not wait to see you beat the brains out of this thing on the track dude. I really hope you have a GoPro!!
I have a version of the go pro but it doesnt do well at all after the wreck I had with it a year ago. Very choppy and crappy quality now and for some reason has a dark spot in every video.
Screw that chuckie I hope the guy behind him has a gopro!! Lol
Haha hell yeah let's hope that's the case! I'll probably just have my friend video it from a good digi cam. The only thing I think you will be disappointed with is the track. It's a neighbor of mine's and it's a good practice track just not any big jumps really but it's relatively fast and technical. You'll atleast get a general idea of how she performs which is what we want huh?!
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I'd rather see it on a fast track than a regular track anyway. I wanna see where it stops pullin at lol
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If I can gear it to pull 200 yards(should be no problem) and keep it from choking down in low speed corners it'll be a beast to be reckoned with! I can use the clutch ike a pro when she's feeling lazy so I'll make it come alive no matter what. I'm getting excited now lol. What reeds do you suggest for mx? Delta V3?
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Whatever happened to this build? I want to see a video of it in action!!
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Any updates on this build?
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Just got back home and in town with a 40hour a week job so I'm starting back on it this weekend. Not a whole lot left to do so it should wrap up quick with pics and vids to boot. Also acquired an 08 CRF450 dirtbike that is going to donate me her engine and wiring for another ltr hybrid. I'll stay up to date better this time not having to leave town months at a time.
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Glad you're back on here looking forward to seeing this thing finished and ripping. It's gonna be the blue print for when I do my hybrid into a yfz or ltr chassis.
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Ok here's where we stand as of this very minute. Engine is complete besides cleaning the old paint off of it..... may or may not run long before it needs rings though and everytime i've tried getting a set they been back ordered... PITA! Fixed wiring from motoplat ignition and bought a hotter coil for it. Frame is 90% done but I'll have to mount the engine, intake, carb, and exhaust to see where i can add some gussetts and finish my haggard ass shock mount. Also have to reem the swingarm bolt hole in engine to except LTR450 swing arm bolt. Original plan was YFZ450 bolt and collars but once tightened down it still had a little play in it. No need in risking throwing a chain into the cases so once I finish that up we will be well on our way to a SHAKEDOWN!! Bare with me on pics but i'll get them coming your way ASAP!
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Sounds like your on it!
P* P* P* (Y)
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Not enough popcorn for this build Dez!!!
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drink til you pass out, be done when you come back to lol
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Ok got it together and running on the bottle(gas) for initial tuning. Took probably 30 kicks to get it to crank first time, ran horrible but idled perfect. That was late last night so I didnt get to ride it or anything but I'm gonna play with the ignition timing and jetting some more. The only thing that I've changed since 7 months ago when i first cranked it is reed cage, main jet, and timing plate. Went from stock reeds to Delta V3 CF ones, 300 main jet to a 280, and I thought i set the timing plate exactly as the old one was but that's where I'm going to start at. Also do you guys run the insert in the V3's? What exactly does it do as far as power curve goes with it in and out?
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30 kicks! did you know that you spend more time kicking zillas than riding -->
jk hehe
for the insert do you mean a spacer behind the reed cage?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-500-LT500R-LT500-QUADZILLA-QUADRACER-VFORCE-3-REED-CAGE-1987-/130991888373?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7fb997f5&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-500-LT500R-LT500-QUADZILLA-QUADRACER-VFORCE-3-REED-CAGE-1987-/130991888373?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7fb997f5&vxp=mtr)
Those are the same ones I bought. See the piece in the open end of the cage in the item pic? Mine pops in and out and I was kinda guessing leaving it in would make more bottom end power than the open throat. Correct?
I just finished building a new revised kicker. Still could use a little more work, but I've been messing with it for 5 hours trying to get the right bends, angles, and length and it's close enough for the time being. :D
7/8 of an inch shorter than stock lt500, somewhat copied the look of the Yoshi LTR kicker. Just used steel instead of alluminum. Try to get pics of that for ya'll in a few hours.
After the family leaves from gift swapping and chowin down I'll get back to setting the timing and checking for intake/exhaust leaks. Just bare with me, it's coming along.... slowly. I honestly think by this weekend, weather permitting, it'll get to hit some humps and jumps....... possibly the dump. -->
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Timing is set to fire 2.2mm before TDC now with the motoplat. Gained some more compression and realized rather quickly that the shortened kicker I made was a mistake. Now I need to make a longer dirtbike style(funny bends) to get the leverage needed and clear my nerfbar's inner heel guard rail...or possibly find something that'll go on the quadzilla kicker shaft and manipulate it to work. Any ideas of kickers that are compatiable?
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Another quick question.... see alot of posts about people running huge carbs like lectron 48's and what not... my question is can you run FCR carbs with 2 stroke apps? If the accel pump is the problem in this case i know how to block it.... If you can use it I think it may benefit me when I build the intake I want for it. It comes straight out the reed port up 3 inches and out 2 inches to get it above factory LTR shock mount and be level. As for now I've modified the shock mount to work with factory intake boot but I'm not beyond welding a stock one back in and building the intake since it will be MX'd.
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Any updates ?
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Problem after problem, working bugs out and just trying to make it run good first before I post a full step by step write up, pics, and videos. Firing is breaking down now for some reason after sitting all winter..... going to try and round up all the stock electronics for it and take this motoplat off until I get it running good then I'll go back to the hotter ignition and fine tune it. In all honesty progress is stagnent at the moment due to work.
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More frame mods made, intake, some odd and end recent work. Firing fixed on motoplat now so just waiting to rack up a few more parts for suspension and it should be ready for another test run. Pics 5/10/14
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EFFIN A right doggie! Keep up the good work sir!
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Thank you much! Been up and down project with more changes than a hookers underwear but it's on the right path now for sure. I eventually want to make it more LTR efficient as far as parts go(subframe/intake/airbox) by building a down draft alloy intake that puts the carb above the shock mount like and LTR and run the stock LTR intake tube and box. Build my next pipe around the box and make a nice flowing silencer that mounts in the LTR exhaust mounts. Being a MX purpose built machine it's going to get crashed and subframe are prone to bending. The set up now is so one off that i'd never be able to replicate it at the track and make the next moto or what not. A lot of time invested for such little production.
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Looking awesome! Keep at it!
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Cool pics of your build up. Be great to feel what 75 hp would feel like in a modern chassis.
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It has taken me long enough haha. I'm either working 6-7 days a week or laid off 2-3 months. The joy of being a welder(joking). I've ran completely out of spending money right now in between jobs and I desperately need to get some parts for it.... I dont want to rob my LTR again since I stated back racing a few weeks ago but damn it's getting tempting!
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Ditched the motoplat! It started trying to run backwards idling so I modified 85 lt250 electronis to work on it since I had nothing for a 500 besides a burnt up stator and a CDI. Cranks a lot better and idling is way smoother but I've been told my pipe is too small/too short to make power and run efficient. Could anyone help me find a custom 2 stroke exhaust builder close to or in Alabama? It's going to have to be built on the quad with plastics, radiator and all on it to make sure it clears everything. I could do it but i have no way of welding it up besides a mig and I refuse to use that on an exhaust. Plus I have very little knowledge on 2 stroke exhausts as far as size and length effect power curve. I just know what brands perform and what brands do not and nothing I have even comes close to fitting this thing beside my 9 drag pipes and that's just gonna be silly for MX lol. I've literally tried 40 - 50 pipes I've collected over the years from dirtbikes, ATC, ATV and still empty handed. Please don't ignore this, I need your help! I dont want to ship my bike anywhere so it has to be within 400 miles and I dont mind leaving it with a trusted builder I just dont want my **** stolen after logging all this time in it. Thanks.
Location: Moulton, Alabama 35650
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U should get a 87 up box 250 or 500 the 85 timing curve is way dif
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It actually is an 88 500 CDI box now. Got lucky and found one close by down the road. Got it free to boot lol.
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Hey, are you still going with this?
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Did this build ever get completed?Just curious is all.
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DR.Q shocks. SMH😔
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Awesome build so far guy! Don't forget to build an air box or you will be rebuilding your motor constantly from sucking dirt. The idiot that had my LT before me got rid of the airbox and stuck a k and N filter directly on the carb. I'm building an aluminum airbox and will be tig welding it.
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been running a k+n filter for a while with no airbox, all an airbox does is hinder air flow.
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A K/N filter won't keep out dust and mud. 3 of my friends learned that the hard way.
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and you think an air box will keep out dust?
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I live in PA so mud and water hitting an open element filter is a problem.
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Waterproof outerwear.
Both are open filters in super dusty, no issues.
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Open in muddy day, no issues
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Only thing, don't submerge it in water and you will be fine. Get the filter clean too, don't let it get torn up, get it oiled and use a waterproof outerwear and nothing to worry about.
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What kind of filter are you running? There is a paper K/N filter attached to my carb. There is no way it would hold up to mud or heavy dust. I spoke to Duncan Racing when I bought my carb from them, and they even suggested using an air box with the lid removed.
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The LT had a foam but is now a k+n, the banshee has a k+n.