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LT500R Quadracer => LT500R- Exhaust => Topic started by: Mitch Keller on November 29, 2012, 05:27:11 pm

Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: BadMoonRacing500 on February 24, 2013, 06:31:12 pm: Quote from: Quadracer on February 23, 2013, 09:00:34 pm
hy Mitch just want to know if you make a hybrid pipe ???
No he doesn't yet --> I've discussed it with him, hoping eventually since I just picked up a nice hybrid with an AAEN :) The big problem is most hybrid pipes have fit issue's because of chassis tweak and how the builder did the motor swap.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Quadracer on February 23, 2013, 09:00:34 pm: hy Mitch just want to know if you make a hybrid pipe ???
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: LT500Kid on February 23, 2013, 01:44:57 pm: Quote from: GrkGuy on January 23, 2013, 07:21:39 am
i talked to Mr.Hall yesterday and he said they are going to start messing around with a sparky for his pipe. i think a removable one, use it when you need to. which will be nice for us guys that ride in MI
for sure easy removal would be nice. DNR are nazi's Damn Near Russians
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on February 22, 2013, 07:25:21 pm: Maybe...........................
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Hotbutta on February 22, 2013, 07:22:42 pm: Damn the Dyno; Thats just in time for the RACE!
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on February 22, 2013, 05:35:36 pm: +k2

Great stuff Mitch ... Looking forward to another dyno day (Y)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on February 22, 2013, 03:50:19 pm: Well, Version 5 in the works, should be ready for testing in 2 weeks, having some help with consulting this time with some old school engine and pipe builders, wanting to keep the torque , and increase the HP in 6000 to 7000 RPM range, DCS-5 in mid March!
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 25, 2013, 07:55:27 pm: OHHHH That right! PM sent!
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Cunningham_821 on January 25, 2013, 07:54:07 pm: Got a brand new set of 20-10-10 american racers for sale. :)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 25, 2013, 07:01:26 pm: Got A PM on my Dyno sheet from 11-20-12 asking what with the spikes (See Graph Listed), We had some wheel hop at the "start-up" of the dyno run, I kept the run anyways just for comparing the graphs, I then re-dynoed on 11-29-12 with no spikes (See Graph Listed), seems we had to run higher air pressure in the tires this time to stop the hop and as you can see no spikes, Hope this answers any questions.

Also next dyno run we will video to show how they set up a quad and whats going on while being dynoed.

FYI I am looking for a set of slicks for some 10" rims for future testing.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: GrkGuy on January 23, 2013, 07:21:39 am: i talked to Mr.Hall yesterday and he said they are going to start messing around with a sparky for his pipe. i think a removable one, use it when you need to. which will be nice for us guys that ride in MI
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: PCS on January 23, 2013, 01:23:29 am: im definitely a fan of the raw finish on the head pipe, reminds me of a scorpion tail

mitch, have you considered experimenting with a center mount pipe or something with a straight shot out of the head pipe. i think i might have already asked you but i cant remember if i did.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 22, 2013, 08:54:26 pm: Someone also PMd me if I can have a Spark Arrester Silencer made to fit a Q pipe, answer is yes I can, but I would need the Q pipe to make a jig for the silencer, Once done I will not need the Q pipe anymore. I will have the cost in a few days.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 22, 2013, 08:51:13 pm: Quote from: STARPUSS on January 21, 2013, 11:04:04 pm
I hope you still have a Raw one for me Next Month.
How much W/o the silencer ? If you would do that.
I was Talking to you over email the other day also. (guy From canada)
Having a batch made next month Star, I will see what my cost are for the pipe only, this is a new one on me.........
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: LT500Kid on January 22, 2013, 08:48:55 pm: Niiiiiiiice!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: STARPUSS on January 21, 2013, 11:04:04 pm: I hope you still have a Raw one for me Next Month.
How much W/o the silencer ? If you would do that.
I was Talking to you over email the other day also. (guy From canada)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Megacablongbox on January 21, 2013, 07:18:42 pm: Looking good Mitch (Y) The one thats polished looks like a mirror at a fun house lol
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 21, 2013, 06:22:30 pm: Thats SBLT500 Store
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Buckeye513 on January 21, 2013, 06:18:47 pm: So Mitch you're like a metal fabricator? In that store there's a 250 case saver sprocket cover that's sweet looking how hard would I have to twist your arm to make me a custom one similar to that 250 one for a 500?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 21, 2013, 05:52:45 pm: The raw Pipe is Un-polished, Cost to polish is $40, here is the link to the SQ-HQ store for the Modified DCS-4 http://www.suzukiquadracerhq.com/index.php?action=store;cat=21
I just placed an order for 5 more raw pipes that will be ready Feb 20th.
Working on Metal Prep, Plating and polishing cost
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Buckeye513 on January 21, 2013, 05:44:16 pm: So is that polished silencer plated or raw? And how much are you asking for the remaining raw exhaust? If the polished look isn't from raw how much is the plating and about what would I be looking at for shipping to Cincinnati?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 21, 2013, 05:13:52 pm: 1 plated pipe sold, 1 Raw pipe to go!
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on January 21, 2013, 04:18:00 pm: That's Mitch's company Die Cutting Solutions
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Buckeye513 on January 21, 2013, 04:05:53 pm: That looks good what does DCS stand for?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on January 21, 2013, 03:50:57 pm: When's mine gonna be polished?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 21, 2013, 03:46:19 pm: Quote from: Dezsled on January 21, 2013, 03:45:25 pm
Is there a crack in that silencer? suzukiquadracerhq
Ha !
I need some Black or Blue aluminum DCS stickers for these.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on January 21, 2013, 03:45:25 pm: Is there a crack in that silencer? ;D
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 21, 2013, 03:31:57 pm: I went ahead and had some of DCS-4 silencers polished, WOW they look awesome can you say BLING BLING!
each photo one polished one not.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/LT500/New%20LT500%20Pipe/100_1121_zps16f0cf85.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/LT500/New%20LT500%20Pipe/100_1118_zpsb1c90a39.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/LT500/New%20LT500%20Pipe/100_1120_zps4ceaf85a.jpg)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 20, 2013, 09:20:10 pm: Please understand that the DCS-4 Raw Pipe for sale is a Modified DCS-3 made into the DCS-4, and works the same as a $4 and that is why the Special pricing is low for SQ-HQ members at this time, I just like to be up front on any items I sell!

Standard Pricing for 2013 looks like Raw Pipes will sell for $550.00 shipped in the 48 states, please contact me for out of state sales shipping cost.

I am working with new platers and will have costing posted if you want Double Nickled or Triple Chromed (Pipe, Flange and Silencer End Pipe), Also the Silencer and End Cap can be polished but will have attentional cost, those prices will also be listed.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: LT500Kid on January 20, 2013, 02:08:51 pm: Jerry made my v2 setup not to long ago mine was a 87 top end though
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: RJTLT500 on January 20, 2013, 01:22:14 pm: Your jetting is the same i have , just need a different needle. If he has the V2 setup for the small reed motor i am in the market for one.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Maxxh2o on January 20, 2013, 01:06:23 pm: My 41 Pwk is close on jet at 185m 52p and CEJ needle #6 slide if that helps any. I still need to get the slide up more with a longer stop screw but that's on the list to do someday...

Isn't Jerry making V2 set ups now?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: RJTLT500 on January 20, 2013, 01:00:39 pm: Actually i just bought a new 41mm PWK working on the jetting to dial it in, waiting for parts. The V2, i am having trouble finding that, as i am running a small reed motor
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Maxxh2o on January 20, 2013, 12:53:32 pm: Personally I'd have the Pwk worked to a 41 or go to mikuni 42.5 and some V2 reeds before a pipe swap. Less $ as well....
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: RJTLT500 on January 20, 2013, 12:46:15 pm: PWK 38mm with a stock intake and Boysen reeds.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Maxxh2o on January 20, 2013, 12:44:24 pm: What carb and intake combo are you running rjlt?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: RJTLT500 on January 20, 2013, 11:55:23 am: The FMF is what came with my Zilla when i bought it. It has great low end grunt but from there the LRD out performs it by a lot. All i see about the LRD that it is old technology and that the new pipes are out performing it. By how much ? The top dogs want $800-- $1000 for there pipes i only paid $400 for my LRD. Am i really getting that much more power for twice , or more, the money? I am not a racer just a dune rider, but i do crave big power.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on January 20, 2013, 10:03:25 am: Quote from: RJTLT500 on January 20, 2013, 08:11:29 am
I see two of these pipes on Ebay right now, one raw and one plated. How much power improvement and where in the power band would these pipes have over the LRD pipe i am running now?

I dont have any Graphs on the LRD as of yet to compare, it is in the works. The DCS-4 was designed for:
Great Low End Punch (Special Head Pipe Design) Working to a massive midrange and a un believable top end power (over 2000 rpm) This pipe and Silencer will rip across the whole power band, see our graphs listed above.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on January 20, 2013, 09:59:50 am: I only have had a fmf to compare power wise with the DCS pipe. The DCS pipe power comes on early, hits hard in the mid, and keeps pulling way up into the upper revs.

I never ran an LRD, maybe Mitch can answer your question better.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: RJTLT500 on January 20, 2013, 08:11:29 am: I see two of these pipes on Ebay right now, one raw and one plated. How much power improvement and where in the power band would these pipes have over the LRD pipe i am running now?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on December 31, 2012, 10:50:53 am: The earlier version ran great other than a couple clearance issues. The newest pipe went right on using the oem mounts/rubber isolators, no problems fitting it up. Stamped pipes look terrific but there's something about the cone design that looks sweet.

New motor, bored carb, new pipe.... Looking forward to scorching my shorts! (Y)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on December 31, 2012, 10:02:39 am: Just got back a few pipes that were refined to the Version 4 design, the version 1 and 2 had small fit issues that I just wasnt going to put up with, this pipe is Dezsleds (Mike) pipe that was re done to Jig of Version 4, I am having 4 other pipes triple plated to be prettied up! and have 1 more raw pipe available.
I am sure Mike will chime in on the fit of this DCS-4 pipe vs hie DCS-2.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/photo_zpsf36fad4c.jpg)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on December 07, 2012, 01:00:13 pm: Quote from: Kennerz on December 07, 2012, 12:35:43 pm
HPR/Shearers/ Dasa three different measures. We all know they all read different. I was wondering how you ran the 1.1 on the Dasa dyno? I thought this was sold many months ago, way before the DCS? Plus was the 1.1 tested on the same top end?
person making pipes of the ones mentioned as of today is HPR.
Dyno Jet was taken 5/3/12 (See Date on the sheet) when I still owned the V-1.1.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on December 07, 2012, 12:44:55 pm: My dyno testing is local due to the hourly rate of $75 hour and they are 10 mins away from my shop thats not bad to get your jetting tunned in.

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/100_0988.jpg)
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Stpltn250r on December 07, 2012, 12:38:52 pm: Mitch. This thread is about an 87 jug. Not an 88. I do know what your small reed did. I was asking what the pipe did with the 87 jug at Mats dyno.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Dezsled on December 07, 2012, 12:31:37 pm: When will someone offer one up for a dyno session?
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Quadster on December 07, 2012, 12:28:39 pm: Make sure to post the results here of the V2 pipe.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Stpltn250r on December 07, 2012, 12:21:28 pm: Really.. I would have thought you would take it by Mats to get it checked.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on December 07, 2012, 11:40:53 am: This 87 LT500 w/DCS pipe was not tested at HPR or Sheares.
I am still willing to pay for the dynoing of a V-2 or an HPR pipe here in Riverside.
Title: Re: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Stpltn250r on December 07, 2012, 11:31:58 am: Did you ever test this at Shearer Custom Pipes dyno? Or HPR?
Title: Re: Dyno Testing my DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on November 29, 2012, 07:46:45 pm: Quote from: Rider414 on November 29, 2012, 05:42:41 pm
You blew it up on the dyno? SMH

Must have , I lost compression, the jetting was way off almost had for some reason a 168 ended up at 180, but damage was all ready done. Lucky it was just a piston that needed replacement.
Title: Re: Dyno Testing my DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on November 29, 2012, 07:44:26 pm: Yes, the 4th and 5th gears were changed to the 88 gearing
Title: Re: Dyno Testing my DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Stpltn250r on November 29, 2012, 06:43:36 pm: are these 5th gear runs? close ratio or wide ratio trans?
Title: Re: Dyno Testing my DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Rider414 on November 29, 2012, 05:42:41 pm: You blew it up on the dyno? SMH
Title: New DCS-Pipe on my 87 LT500
Post by: Mitch Keller on November 29, 2012, 05:27:11 pm: Went and had the my DCS - 4 Pipe dynoed locally at DASA Racing in Riverside on my 87 and ended up very surprised how it ended up to the other dyno graphs, unfortunately I was also wanting to dyno my other 88 LT500 my top end had fractured cracks during a dyno run from another location, so that graph wont be done till some time in Feb with a fresh top end, I want to post both the 87 and 88 graphs soon.

The Graphs shown are as follows:

Top End 87 Large Reed Dune Play Ported by Moto Perfect Race Engines
http://www.suzukiquadracerhq.com/engine-builders/moto-perfect-race-engines/ (http://www.suzukiquadracerhq.com/engine-builders/moto-perfect-race-engines/) 57cc O ring Head, 42 Mukuni Carb, VF-2 Reeds, No Air Box, Alum Air Filter Bracket, 9" K&N, Gearing 13/46, Duro Street Tires 22x 11 x 10 (Bottom End is LT500 88 (lower gearing 4th, 5th)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/100_1061-Copy-Copy.jpg)

As you can see I have been working on this side project for some time working on constant refinments.

These are Dyno Jet (5-3-12) in Orange County and a Mustang Dyno (11-20-12 - 11-29-12) to compare numbers.
DYNOJET - (RED) DCS Pipe and the Q V-1.1 Pipe (GREEN)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/Untitled.jpg)
DASA-MUSTANG DYNO 11-29-12
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/DCSPipeDyno87LT50011-29-12-page-001.jpg)
Dyno Test 87LT500 11-20-12, The Spikey Curves At The Begining Of The Run Were Caused From Wheel Hop, that is why we "Re Ran" this Dyno Run on the 11-29-12 LISTED
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/87LT500DUNODCSPIPE11-20-12.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/87LT500Dyno-DCSPipeHPonly11-20-12-1.jpg)