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LT250R Quadracer => LT250R - Body / Chassis / Suspension => Topic started by: Jubble00 on December 06, 2015, 05:29:03 am
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You best other option on a 250 is a Aftermarket yfz450 pre 08 or non x r . They will have the wrong upper mount widthas wiil a banshee shock but the differnce is a banshee shock is shorter than a standard Lt front shock. For a longer shock to be safe you need to check ball joint bind extended and compressed and check against shock length.
We add internal spacers to shorten shocks to correct for binding and length issues and taller or denser bump stops.
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Dude you sound like your 12.
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camber is adjustable with shimsm im not concerned with that.
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wheel castor and a-arm angle aswell as swingarm angle and seat angle and handlebar height are all affected. i dont want to fight with anyone but negative zero a-arm angle is the opposite of a hot setup.
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No problem jubble, I will get those a arms on tonight and post a few pictures.
Sublanuacy- do you mean camber? The shorter the shock the more negative camber it would have, meaning the top of tires tipped in. That's what is desired, the suzuki came with positive camber from factory. Not desired. This is the want and need on stock a arms to have the camber shims. Longer shocks will tip the top of tires out (positive) shorter shocks tip the top in (negative)
Sooooooooo, of shorter shocks would rip the top of tires in just a tad, it wouldn't be a problem because it would solve the positive camber problem that suzuki had from the get go. I don't have this problem because both my quads have extended arms with camber adjustment built in.
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those are not stock banshee shocks. if it fits a stock banshee it is a little short and untuned including the spring.
works lists the price clearly at around 500 and they are tuned and the correct length.
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if somebody who has mounted this and measured the castor on the front wheels i would like to banter. but its clear to me that it has a negative impact on handling unless you know what your doing. suzuki built the fastest flattrack frame in the world. ignoring angle of geometry is a mistake.
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believing you will save money is the only good thing.
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Thank you everyone for your advice. I don't care about resale value. This is my rebuild and I plan on keeping it for awhile. Besides, if I do sell it, I'm sure the person buying it would enjoy a better ride rather then the stock pogo sticks that come on the LT. 92lt250wannabe...thanks for your input. it's been really helpful. If you have the time to slap together the stuff and send pics, please do. Rainman56, shot me a price on your Banshee shocks, maybe we can work a deal. Eventually I will end up with aftermarket (most likely Works) shocks way down the road but, for now I need a cheap alternative to the stock pogo's that are on there now. I just had the rear shock rebuilt and it is way better then it was. Just need to match the front for a more enjoyable ride. Again....thank you everyone for the advice.
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Banshee shocks , will be up for sale next week, trying to find my dang tie rods for my a arms, damn kids put them away and cant fing crap .
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/LT500/Streamlinefront_zpse60c3389.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/erbe03/media/LT500/Streamlinefront_zpse60c3389.jpg.html)
So your selling the shocks pictured next week?PM a price if you get a chance?Are they set up for set weight or type of riding or simply something that works?
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I thought I had some pretty good advice to the topic multiple times, one person in specific wanted to banter about the facts I stated for some reason multiple times. I just try to be helpful to people in the quadracer world not tell everyone their ideas are stupid or just be plain ignorant. Don't see how a person can be a part of a "community" like this and be hating on everyone's suggestions like they know everything. We are all here to be helpful to each other.
Just my 2c
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you guys can disagree on topics just try to avoid the name calling, those topics can quickly get out of hand with individuals flexing their keyboard muscles and no need to lose sight of the original question at hand over simple name calling.
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Keep the responses civil guys.
I purchased used Custom Axis Banshee shocks and they fit perfect on the Zilla (and I believe would fit fine on the 87+ 250's). They rode crappy until I sent them back to Custom Axis for a rebuild and respring to my specs. Now they are pretty awesome. If you do get aftermarket used shocks off of a Banshee, make sure you get them rebuilt and resprung for your application. Adds a few bucks, but if your looking for a good ride, then that is your ticket.
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those are not oem banshee shocks.
Nobody is talking about oem banshee shocks. just saying that banshee aftermarket shocks can work as another option
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those are not oem banshee shocks.
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Thank you Mitch!!!
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Hey Sublunacy look ^^^^^^ BANSHEE shocks on an LT I hope mitch knows that lowered the resale value
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Banshee shocks set up for LT500 , will be up for sale next week, trying to find my dang tie rods for my a arms, damn kids put them away and cant fing crap .
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/LT500/Streamlinefront_zpse60c3389.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/erbe03/media/LT500/Streamlinefront_zpse60c3389.jpg.html)
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Shop Flea bay for USED Banshee Works shocks, can pick them up really cheap, yeah they will need a rebuild and maybe new springs, but now you can up grade and work your cashflow to fix what is needed, rear shock is good shock if it isnt not too worn out and be be revaleved also, If your making a long term investment with your quad , a set elkas all around is up to date sound investment, there are a few cheapskates around here that went with Yammy 450 front shocks, but thats whole bunch of mount mods are required.
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elka now ok. anything else?
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Wow man... who said banshee shocks are cheaper than works you dummy he was simply saying that banshee shocks no matter what brand they are might work because of similar lengths. HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT STOCK OEM BANSHEE SHOCKS!!!
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Actually Jubble00 started the thread turd. How am I fleeing? I am giving dude advice. And Elkas are better than works. Again what is your ******* advice for him. Your just criticizing my advice. *****.
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common show me these banshee shocks that are cheaper than works susp. and prove your point. if you cant you just bullys that flee when presented with a challenge. :) wannabee started this issue. man up little guy.
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If this guy wants new shocks MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR the LT250R for a good price that are readily available he has a couple options. WORKS and Elka, any damn suspension company will make you shocks for your riding style and weight, valve and spring for that and the machine. Trust me i know. I have Rebuilt my fare share of WORKS shocks, and valved them. Personally I would go elka shock route, for stage one shocks they blow any works steeler out of the water, they are far more tunable.
Jubble00 I am pretty sure that I have those honda a arms laying around if i can find them would you like a picture showing how they fit and the problems they may cause. I have a spare 92 chassis and plenty of shocks. i can bolt the whole **** up and post a pic of it.
SUBLUNACY-I have not forgotten anything that either one of my bikes has or that was done to it. I dont see where your getting this from ya keyboard ninja. You keep talking **** to me about things on here and I have not seen one good post that was either informative or helpful that you have. You dont even know motor specs bro check out "the best pipe for lt250R" thread. see what you wrote. calling out jerry hall and mitch keller like you konw what the F*ck your talking about. I do not claim to know everything and never will. The guy plainly states he is wants to put YFZ shocks on his bike. Im Giving him CHEAPER options that come to mind that will work without modding shocks and whatnot. Again where is your F*cking advice. I recall you asking if WORKS makes chrome shocks on everything2stroke. cant even type your ass over there to the WORKS site and look for yourself that plain as day they make them.
Sorry JUBBLE00 for wasting your thread with this bullshit ranting but this fool just dont know when to stop typing garbage bashing behind his f*cking computer screen.
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lol so your confused after doing the work youself?
you think banshee shocks will be cheaper and better than works susp. that are tuned for weight and riding style ?
can you recomend something?
Dude c'mon did you not read the title of this thread??! The guy asked what are some CHEAP options on other kinds of shocks that might work. Key word being cheap and what advice do you give? You tell him that he shouldn't put banshee shocks on because it will lower the resale value... LMFAO!!! You think someone asking what the cheapest route for different shocks really cares that banshee shocks might lower his resale value?! Cmon man where's some common sense wannabe is not saying put stock banshee shocks on he is saying that there is a F LOAD of banshees and aftermarket parts out there so chances are he could find some very cheap aftermarket shocks that are technically made for a banshee that might work. all you want to do is sit here and call out wannabe for not working on his own stuff well sorry to burst your condescending little bubble but he has totally rebuilt one hell of an LT250R that you could only dream of. Send me the link to your build thread so I can see some credibility behind your awesome advice otherwise grow up dude.
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lol so your confused after doing the work youself?
you think banshee shocks will be cheaper and better than works susp. that are tuned for weight and riding style ?
can you recomend something?
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Not doing what work?
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well good day to you wannabee. if you look more closely you will see that stock or works measure 15 eye to eye. realisticly its about 1 inch less suspension travel overall wich is fine if your not doing the work i can see how you would get confused with details.
how do you like your lt250 vs the banshee anyway?
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measure yours and dont get anything longer. the banshee shocks are not cheap used and they just are not right.
if you want to keep the 9 inch travel- everyone gets works shocks/ or something longer travel plus aarms and stuff.
if your going to mount banshee shocks it represents a downgrade to resale value or the customer should be alerted to the fact atleast.
Banshee aftermarket shocks are cheap, the market is flooded with them. I am not talking stock shocks here man.
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banshee aftermarket shocks are basically the same eye to eye length as the suzuki LT250R. I had a banshee sitting in my garage with elka shocks on it and I personally measured them. I have laegers +2 arms on my LT250R and i have works shocks. they measure 14.75. banshee was 14.5 so by my math they would fit just fine. honda 250, 450, 400ex shocks all to long. like motoman said they are 16.5 and longer depending on a arm length they are for. Longer shocks can be used but it all depends on spring weights, valving and what not. shocks from other machines are sprung and valved for that specific machine like others have said. they are also built to their chassis.
Spend a little cash and just get some aftermarket shocks that fit your machine. There are a few good companies that offer shocks for the Lts still. I would buy elka stage 2 or 3 if i were to upgrade. thats just me.
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I have Laeger +2 arms on my hybrid. It also has PEP shocks that are for a 400ex. I think they measured 16.5" eye to eye. They just did fit.
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banshee shocks are like 14.5" eye to eye, they are shorting than yfz450 shocks which are like 15.5" eye to eye.
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So I went through this same thing a while back.
The best option if you have the money to spend is to get a set of aftermarket shocks valved and sprung for your weight and bike.
The option that I went with since I don't have the $600+ to spend on my project bike, at this point. was getting a set of YFZ450 front shocks. These are NOT a direct bolt on. The length is the same as OEM or close enough, and the lower eyelet will fit in OEM 87+ a arms. The problem is that you have to knock down the top eyelet on the shock quite a bit for it to fit in the upper mount. I used a hack saw then a big file to smooth it out. Also make sure that the Aluminum surround is narrower then the Steel bearing. You want that bearing to make contact to your frame, not the aluminum.
Also these are still not 100% ideal since they are for a different bike all together. They are worlds better then worn out OEM pogo sticks but not the best.
TRX450 shocks are too long
LTZ 400 shocks same length as trx450 shocks
400ex Also too long.
Banshee shocks are probably the same length as YFZs they just are not as good.
If you want to see this set up take a look at my Picture, I also have some posted up in the gallery. Hope this helps.
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measure yours and dont get anything longer. the banshee shocks are not cheap used and they just are not right.
if you want to keep the 9 inch travel- everyone gets works shocks/ or something longer travel plus aarms and stuff.
if your going to mount banshee shocks it represents a downgrade to resale value or the customer should be alerted to the fact atleast.
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I have seen the yfz shocks on the lt250r, also I am pretty positive banshee shocks are damn near the same length eye to eye. my friend has a shee with elka shocks on it and they are the same eye to eye length of my works on my lt. My brother in law has a honda R, he upgraded arms and i brought his over and fitted them on my lt frme. they didnt look like it would work from what i remember it was the shock angle on the r is different or something. I have seen guys bolting up z400 arms on an lt250. not positive what mods are needed to make that work. i lucked out and found laeger arms and my other bike has lonestar arms. they are both 92s. Metaltech might make arms for the lt still not sure.
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Hello to all,
I had a question on front suspension on a 92 LT250R. What is the easiest/cheapest way to upgrade the front suspension? I have done the bump stop mod already. Do stock YFZ 450 shocks bolt right up? Also I have read somewhere on here about Honda A-Arms possibly bolting up to the stock frame on the LT.
Thank you!