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LT500R Quadracer => LT500R- Exhaust => Topic started by: Mitch Keller on January 10, 2014, 03:54:28 pm
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$400 less than HPR and $250 less than Q-2 , don't know what they charge for shipping these days, my shipping cost is in the flat rate pricing of the DCS 6, Guys there is room for all of us out in the LT500 world
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DCS 6 wasnt to offset the HPR19, it was to take away sales from the other guys in its performance, which is exactly what DCS-6 did, I just talked to Jerry last week, I'm a bump on elephants azz guys, the guys wanting the "HPR package" know what they want and will get it. Q will have sales for those that want pretty, But FYI talks are in the works about maybe a DCS-7 batch being a stamped pipe and plated, still working on costing this will take a few months busy as hell at work these days.
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A few bucks more? Isn't the DCS like $400 less than a HPR? That isn't a few bucks.
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HPR pipe makes more power, like the saying goes you get what you pay for. I will take a quality pipe and pay a few bucks more than a pipe that makes less power and made in a garage with guess work. S~
I am not criticizing just stating my opinion. Flame suit on.
Wow. DCS was never made to compete with halls or Q's pipe. Was for the budget builder that wanted better quality than the AAEN had to offer (and Power). Testing results were just better than expected. Garage build? Do you even know who built this pipe?
Save the Shitty attitude for youtube and facebook, Cody. I guess that is how you were raised, though.
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HPR pipe makes more power, like the saying goes you get what you pay for. I will take a quality pipe and pay a few bucks more than a pipe that makes less power and made in a garage with guess work. S~
I am not criticizing just stating my opinion. Flame suit on.
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A lil Brushed / Bluing looks nice
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Even done the DCS 6's are getting detail, here is on of the few left that were Brushed )Pipe and Mid Section) some of the Silencers will be Polished.
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Pipes are $650 shipped in the USA, they are RAW, I am not plating, I am looking into it but please understand that these are coned pipes and will have tigged welds that will show if plated.
Shipping to other country's will require extra freight cost, plus any taxes and any duties to be included in shipping cost.
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Can I order a pipe? How do I place an order?
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Wow already 8 spoken for..
When do you think u take delivery?
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Finishing up the silencers for the 8 pipes sold, with 2 avaialble
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I have the exact same porting.
Very mild port job but makes really good power.
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Ready for this,Dave has a Tudors play dune engine porting, No Air Filter box ( Alum Bracket), and only 41 pwk.
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Awesome news! Make sure he posts about his entire engine set up too. I'm always curious to know about the power certain engine set ups produce.
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Great News, Dave Kuskie just got his DCS-#5 LT500 Dynoed at Pro shop in Stanton Ca, just heard from John that he is hitting 68 HP and cant believe the midrage torque that the pipe has, Looking forward to Dave posting his Graphs soon!
Oh Q gonna hate when these pipes come out!
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Are these pipes all spoken for?? I want one!!
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http://youtu.be/J8gAb3uc6fk
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I have been getting all kinds of messages (Here and F/B) about posting of the V2 from last year with new run of the DCS-6 the same old whining about you did'nt jet it right, you did'nt adjust the P/V right, waaaa waa waaa, look close to the sheets, temp, humidity are the same as the DCS-6 runs, why is it no one wants to step up and dyno there own V2? and when someone else does a comparison the minions cry foul....
FYI the quad used for dyno used the same fuel (New VP12 Can), mix (32-1), carb (42mm), engine (87mm bore 57 cc O ring Head), tires (20"flat track 8 psi), gearing (14/44), air cleaner (9" K&N w Filterwrap).
I would love to see more dyno runs comparing pipes, carbs, reeds, cylinder years, and see the graphs, that would be some info, costly but some great info.
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That dyno is looking good!
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Mitch, your low-end grunt pipe sure has turned into one of the big boys! Congrats! Excellent numbers!
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My shops Letters
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What DCS stand for? Nice pipe!! I didn't know they were this close to being completed or I would of waited!
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Mitch here's a needle taper sheet. Thought it may help you decide what taper needle change you're after.
http://www.sudco.com/Carburetor/MikuniCatalogPg32.jpg
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Sambone here's the engine set up
"the engine again was your average dune port, 57cc dome, 42 Mikuni, the power valve was set 1-3/4" turns for low end, lighter the spring tension faster it shuts."
Yeah I didn't want HRD or HPR porting , wanted what most of us would have for average engine porting at this time, a more aggressive porting would have shown higher numbers.
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good numbers Mitch, glad to see you blew past Q's pipe. but your pipe sure does look like Jerrys pipe
with all the springs holding pipe together. and can i ask why are there so many rivets in the silencer.
instead of rivets why cant you have them put bolts in it, sure would make it easy to change packing.
drilling out rivets sucks, imo so how many of these are going to be for sale
John, this was only the Prototype Pipe and Silencer, the next batch will have machined bolts, not rivets, as for the look its just the way the pipe design came out.
This batch of pipes are bit more costly this time around, all metal is lazer cut than template hand cut, use of Stainlees Steel in the mid pipe, the modified exhaust flange adds to the new cost, plus the prep work for plating if needed.
Looking to start selling next month, looking at $650 (RAW) shipped comes with OEM Silencer Rubber Bushings and Spacers, If any one wants the silencer polished or plated thats extra cost, we are only making 10 pipes, only 8 are available at this time, I will be taking deposits around the 20th, all transactions will be through Pay Pal, shipping of finished Pipes and Silencers should be around the 15th- 20th of next month.
This could be the last batch of DCS pipes I make, I been playing with this project over a year and time to get the new projects up and going.
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Sambone here's the engine set up
"the engine again was your average dune port, 57cc dome, 42 Mikuni, the power valve was set 1-3/4" turns for low end, lighter the spring tension faster it shuts."
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good numbers Mitch, glad to see you blew past Q's pipe. but your pipe sure does look like jerrys pipe
with all the springs holding pipe together. and can i ask why are there so many rivets in the silencer.
instead of rivets why cant you have them put bolts in it, sure would make it easy to change packing.
drilling out rivets sucks, imo so how many of these are going to be for sale
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What are the specs on the test bike used?? Just curious what the motor and everything is set up like.
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Great numbers
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Going over the graphs, im thinking of modifing the pipe again, we gained a good amount of top end, but I would like to get some of that mid range back.
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Let's see if I have any luck loading them
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Dez has Vids also
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Once jetted in correctly it rocked!
Mitch drain the other vp c12 can into the just opened c12 can & drain the fresh fuel in the tank into the empty can... Don't let it go stale like what was in the tank!
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I'm interested lol
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Im working on that, I would like to keep the pricing affordable as possible for anyone interested in the DCS-6, I am setting it up with OEM Rubber Bushings and spacers in the silencer, I will be looking into the cost of polishing the stainless steel mid pipe and aluminum silencer with Billet end cap. As for the pipe being plated im still not wound up about quoting this, seems everyone knows someone that can do a triple coat or a double nickel plating for a good price.
I am hoping to have pricing about $200.00 less than a QV2 pipe and silencer.
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Nice Mitch!!!
Looks like the DCS 6 will be a prime alternative to the V2.
I like how it does not fall off as sharp as the V2
What is the price tag for these pipes?
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OK , we ran off to Hesperia Ca to Dyno test this weekend , very pleased with the results of the DCS-6, I want to give a shout out to Mike Yano for all his help, he was in that carb so fast to re jet, or to raise or lower the needle and saved us a bunch of time between runs, plus he was fastest at starting the LT500. These results are graphs to compare the difference from the DCS-4 to the DCS- 6, I have also thrown in QV2 to compare, you want a pretty shiny $800 plus pipe hit Q up, I say save a few bucks get a DCS-6 use the extra cash for Head Mods, Reeds, Carb Mods, All the pipes out there (HPR, DCS Q) are great performers.
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DCS-6 and Q-V2
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She is Done, ready for Dyno Testing.
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Looks good
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any pricing yet?
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Looks nice P*
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Just in time for next month :o
When you making the trip to benes?
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DCS-6 Proto Type, ready for Dyno Runs very soon
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z183/erbe03/LT500/New%20LT500%20Pipe/100_1284_zps99fa9d33.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/erbe03/media/LT500/New%20LT500%20Pipe/100_1284_zps99fa9d33.jpg.html)
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How much is this pipe going to cost? :)
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Well just make sure its triple chromed before you get junk in it.... -->
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And then chromed and sent to my house????? -->
Yup! Right after a quick shake down on my Zilla! BRAPPPP!!!
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And then chromed and sent to my house????? -->
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Next goes back on the quad to put the mounting brackets (plural) and silencer and make sure everything is routed correctly, clears the air box, and plastic, then welded up, pressure test for pin holes, then dyno test and graph the power band.
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Man about time.... >:D
Hurry up that one looks alittle leaky
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Me first, chrome with sparky :)
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Just signed off to go ahead and weld up the 1st DCS-6 Pipe and Silencer, after some dyno testing in the next few weeks we will post graphs and produce 10 to 15 exhaust systems, I apolgies for taking so dang long, been time and money project, but I think it will be well worth it when done, exspecting the power band to have the same bottom end, more mid and top.
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