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Suzuki Conversions (Hybrids) => Hybrid - General Discussion => Topic started by: Rainman56 on October 31, 2013, 03:01:27 pm
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Mine are gbc shark fin....lol ...knew it had shark something
Just think light and flotation
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I'm running 21x7x10 Duro sand masters on a 10x6 DWT blue label with a 2/4 offset the stance is wider and it now clears the AAEN pipe. Heres a link to them on rocky mountain atv. I think a pair mounted with the rims they were around $140. This tire and wheel combo is pretty light.
http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/1603/24687/Duro-Sand-Master-ATV-Tire
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I think the front tire are sand sharks?
Really anything that is smooth with a rig
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BadMoon has the first ever AAEN...hehe
+k2 Thank you Fred, I love my slow hybrid >:D
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Cool deal I think Im gonna get a new set try em out. Everyone seems to run the same fronts what are they called?
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yeah its older pic.....cant find the new ones....wtf
but yes 8 blade haulers...is all i ever use....the 9 blades are long gone
they are almost the perfect dune tire at SL...the wet sand is mostly by the beach...unless it rains...need to know your setup to better help with tires
i think that my sparky is 2 3/4... ;D...i have a one of a kind AAEN first edition silencer
BadMoon has the first ever AAEN...hehe
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that's a old pic of his bike, he has a Q pipe on it.. with sparky
tires are haulers
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That is the sparky most QR's run at SL. I think Fast freddy is running 9 paddle haulers, 8's work good on a slow hybrid like mine :/ or a zilla...
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Looks great snikle! You have a sparky on the silencer? Also what rear tires are those cause you ride Silver Lake right? Would you recomend them or try something a little different for the wet sand?
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Try to follow a dirt bike down here, its not going to happen. Most places we ride have what they call a single track, dirt bikes only. You can get a quad through it, but you running through briar bushes climbing over trees, or trying to make a trail to get around the sh!t that is in front of you. Or you just stop and unstrap the chain saw. lol. Most times when i take the 2 stroke someone has a saw.
I don't ride we're John does but I third this on the trails I usually ride on. There's dirt bike only stuff you can always get around or you can try it and fight with your bike to get through all the crap.
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lol...i forgot who said it but 91-92 frame is the simplest to do...just need a 500 intake boot and done...and adjusting the carb isn't to bad...Carl....lol
my build:
500 motor held in with the hybrid mounts by sblt250...
notch for plug, kicker, exhaust
move over chain roller
space rear sprocket
i dont run airbox....waste of space...just made a bracket and run 250r k&n
the bottom motor mount i notched in and re-inforced
ltr 450 rear hubs....gets you 4..110...and wider...
i'm sure i forgot a couple things in there
+1 +2 a-arms...with shock adjustment for those special days...lol
+2 swinger...more than you ever need for 165lb rider
olin front shocks...pep rear...all with rezzies
and i have my weight around 330 dry
and i'll never run a 500 frame again
but when i had the 500 motor in the 400ex frame....i miss that....a lot...was set all MX
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Try to follow a dirt bike down here, its not going to happen. most places we ride have what they call a single track, dirt bikes only. You can get a quad through it, but you running through briar bushes climbing over trees, or trying to make a trail to get around the sh!t that is in front of you. Or you just stop and unstrap the chain saw. lol. Most times when i take the 2 stroke someone has a saw.
I can second this!
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Try to follow a dirt bike down here, its not going to happen. Most places we ride have what they call a single track, dirt bikes only. You can get a quad through it, but you running through briar bushes climbing over trees, or trying to make a trail to get around the sh!t that is in front of you. Or you just stop and unstrap the chain saw. lol. Most times when i take the 2 stroke someone has a saw.
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I ride my Zilla everywhere and I don't mind it through the tight trails, I can keep up with guys on the dirt bikes and get it pretty much anywhere they can
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I have a extra 500 axle, it's wider then the 250, and was just curious if it would work [|]
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Why would u want to stick a boat anchor zilla axle on a250? Just use some tusk racing wide hubs switch to a common 4x110 pattern and be a happy camper D? If its the width you are after.
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Quit asking questions and just build a hybrid. The zilla is a wide and long tank. Great n dunes or open spots. Hybrid is very nimble with major power. D?
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nope not a chance
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Will a 500 axle work in the 250 swinger? [|]
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http://youtu.be/Or3okI_mad8?t=2m20s
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Um Wow... That brings......The Boomstick
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Hi^
Sorry man.Got carried away.
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Hi^
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The Hemi engine wasn,t the problem,it was everything else around it.lol....cross bolted main bearings in the block,the bottom end was rock solid.Yes the 426 was a monster to say the least.
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those hemi's were monsters!
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Kinda like the Zilla motor!!
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Or Hemi Dart Or Side Oiler Falcon Or Swiss Cheese SD421 pontiac.
Well the Hemi Dart really wasn,t built for longevity or even street legal from new for that matter.lol
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Or Hemi Dart Or Side Oiler Falcon Or Swiss Cheese SD421 pontiac.
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thats like putting a 383 in a chevette.
No, more like a Yenko 427 Nova.
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thats like putting a 383 in a chevette.
:lol:
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I have an aluminum grab bar and aluminum armadillo front bumber.Big difference in the weights of the front bumpers.
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It'd be cool to see a thread (sticky) that showed places and numbers of where you can lose weight on the zilla...
i.e.: Stock exhaust vs. aftermarket = xx lbs
Stock grab bar vs. PRM aluminum = xx lbs
That would be a lot of work for someone though, and we would need someone who has a lot of stock and aftermarket stuff for the Zilla, and has a nice shipping scale.... -->eh hem...John!!??
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yeah I bought an aluminum grab bar, its half the weight of the stocker.
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Some of the worst things on a 500 are things like the grab bar. That was first thing i pitched
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wow that's good cuningham! ive been lightining my 500 up, so far ive got around 15 lbs off it from last year, and that's also with adding weight for extended swinger, im gona find out how much the total savings over a stocker is when im done, my 500 had some stuff already removed when I bought it so id guess its 20-25lbs lighter total from stock
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I had buddys with hybrids every1 beat up the 250 frames. imo a 250 frame isnt designed for that much motor. thats like putting a 383 in a chevette. btw the 500 can be easily down in the 325 range my trail 500 is 325 with stock frame and all stock suspension.
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I would like to build a hybrid but will not get rid of a Zilla to do it. I love the big chassis and comfy layout.
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Don't modify the mounts. Just trim the a-arms. That's what I'm doing.
Then the front will be good,,, I'll just need an AXLE...... Lolol
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500 arms require modifying the mounts. They are not a direct bolt on.
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What about running the 500 arms and flipping them over?
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It requires welding, and some notching. Also for anything other than duning you will want some gussets on the 250 frame, or if your a big guy. As for riding a hybrid to a zilla and 250. Well basically its like riding a 250 with 25+ more HP and a lot more torque. The bigger guys I know prefer zillas because they are larger and more comfy. I'm 5'11' 210lbs and the 250 chassis fits me great. As for the difficulty of a hybrid build a lot depends on the year.
85-86 Lightest best duner, you have to weld in a 87-92 style front motor mount down tube, plus the mods to 87-90.
87-90 The easiest to do. Notch main rib for plug clearance, notch down tube for kicker clearance, The lower left frame rail gets notched at the motor mount. SBLT front mounts and an Hybrid pipe.
91-92 very similar to the 87-90 swap, but it's much more difficult to get air box clearance if you run one. 91-92 best rear supension.
Most hybrid pipes will require 2+1 A arms OR 10x6 wheels with a 2/4 offset, BUT I would only run that setup on a duner it puts extra stress on the lower ball joint. The wider arms or axle will require a 2+2 axle or some Gforce style hubs. DO NOT USE WHEEL SPACERS!!!
I love my hybrid, and my next one is being built from the first quadracer I ever owned a 90 250. The zilla and my other 87 250 mostly sit or are ridden by friends.
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How hard is it to do the swap. Any welding at all? I heard sb designs makes the mounts for the swap
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I'm slowly (read that 'handicapped snails pace') piecing a 500 engine together to build a hybrid for after my Suzuki trike is built. It would be cool to have 2 hybrids but money money money money.
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I'm always on the look out for a z400 or ltr or yfz 450 rolling chassis to drop a Zilla motor in. IMO way better chassis set up and tons more aftermarket stuff for that type of hybrid.
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If I knew then what I know now and after reading the comments in here I should have built a hybrid.Time to start collecting parts for a new build.Sounds like I,m not the only one that feels the Zilla chassis is a tank.This Zilla may just be going up for sale.
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You have to notch the back bone for the carb, and a there a mother f'er to do any on the machine carb adjustments, have to pull airbox back and snake out the carb to do anything. the earlier ones are better if you run open filter. If you need a Airbox the Later and the earlier are way easier to do ride height and sock adjustments.
I will be doing a new hybrid with a later chassis here in the future just for the airbox reason. If I don't just do a whole frame.
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Motoman that's what I'm talking about by using the original airbox boot off the Zilla airbox to route the intake around the suspension.
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There aren't many 91-92 hybrids because of space limitations presented by the rear shock. The intake needs routed around it to fit.
I've ridden multiple Zillas and a few too fiddys.
I originally got a 91 LT250R. Wasn't enough power so I got a 500 engine and a 88' frame. Swapped over everything, but the rear suspension and engine. The power increase was awesome and that was with a basically stock 500 engine. The 250 frame handles much better than a zilla. The zilla is a large ATV and feels bulky when compared to the 250. The 60-90lbs difference between a hybrid and a zilla is noticeable too.
You won't notice the weight difference from swapping out the 250 engine for a 500. I think the weight difference between the two engines is less than 10lbs.
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I just don't like the space limitations and I could use my Zilla airbox boot and fab up an airbox or eliminator bracket with a 91 or 92 rear setup.
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Lol most like the 87-90 rear setups. If the shock isn't blown and all the linkage/bearings are good there fine buck.
Carl says he likes em.
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Note to self if I build a hybrid find a 91 or 92 two fiddy!
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Yea buck 85-90.
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Damn that's almost 100lbs lighter than a non dieted Zilla. Don't all the 250's use the dog leg style rear suspension except the 91 and 92 models?
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My hybrid weighs in at 307 with full tank of gas
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How much heavier did you guys make the 250 by switching to the Zilla motor? I realize it's not really that big of a deal cause you get a whole bunch more power... It's just that I like being able to lift my 250 out of the mud or load it by hand in a truck bed when I'm riding by myself.
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I love my zilla in wide open spaces but the more i ride my hybrid the more my zilla sits. I like the small nimble 250 frame with the power of the 500. The zillas are big and bulky for trails compared to the 250's. I love big power and light weight especially in the tight trails with the hybrids. Id sell my zilla before my hybrid and I love them both for different reasons.
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If motoman ever decides to get his transmission straightened out I'm hoping he will swap my Zilla for his bird for a quick ride. I agree with grk though there is nothing like the power of the big single 2 stroke!
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Well once my 265 is back on the ground me an Chevy is gunna go hit up local MX tracks and well lets just say we both wanna give both bikes a try ;)
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zilla is like a riding on the roof of a vw bug, i really dont care for the zillas, they are too big, seemes like you need more area to turn. you can really tell how wide they are when you ride one, and look out for tight spots, they dont fit. now if you are a plus size guy then the zilla is the bike for you. or maybe its just too much bike for me. haha
now the 250 with a 500 motor, shoot look out. i love the bird, fast and nimble. whip it around anywhere. but dont ask me why i have 3 zillas tho. guess i just liked the fact that i can say i own one of them, i mean 3 of them. lol
if i was to start over and know what i know now, there would be 3 bikes in my garage instead of 6. 1 250, 1 zilla, and a bird. i like to ride the 250 for a few min, then jump on the bird, and it is just crazy on the power difference. i think it really does stretch your arms. they pull very hard, want to climb a big hill, just hammer it at bottom and coast up the rest of the way. and if you have a zilla that feels lazy and does not freaking rip, then it needs work. better call jerry hall
there is nothing like a good running 500.
but this is just my feelings on this, take it as you want.
come over and take mine for a ride, it will make you jealous.
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Absolutely love my 250.The Zilla I don,t have much ride time on as I,m fixing a clutch basket/plates issue but I can say it feels very clumbsy compared to the 250 on the track and even trail riding in general.Now if your out in the open or service/logging trails it never stops pulling.Also on the sand MX tracks its much nicer as the tourque of the 500 doesn,t bog or require constant shift to stay on the pipe.Through the whoops so far I,ll take the 250 hands down.In the short amount of seat time on the 500 I,m with Chuckie,give me the 250 all day as of right now.Once I get the clutch fixed and some more ride time my opinion may change.Likely won,t be till next season now though.Snomo season coming up so the quads will be collecting some dust.
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My 500 was +2 wide and -2 short and lowered (flat track bike) and only had cleaned up ports with an FMF. It was really quick steering and all compared to my 250. But it felt lazy power wise IMO. I wish I could ride a NICE 500 and compare to my 250 after I have the zilla arms squared away. I like my 250 better than the Zilla but I only rode the zilla once and not for a very long time.
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Never ridden a lt250 but my Zilla after being rebuilt and restored can't keep the front wheels down when it's dry. I'd imagine the hybrids are really hard to keep the nose down on without at least a 4"-6" stretch on the swinger and for handling wider a arms would be a must I would think along with beefier front shocks.
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This is a good post. I'm curious also about how the same motor in a hybrid would run in a zilla.
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Just curious on hearing from the hybrid guys how the LT250/500 hybrids ride and feel compared to riding a regular 250 and 500?Obviously the 500 would be far different from the 250 engine but hows does it effect the handling?I,m assuming the hybrids feel far more nimble than the Zillas but does the extra weight of the 500 make them seem heavy say for MX?Just curious is all.