Suzuki Quadracer HQ
Suzuki Quadracer HQ Discussion => Suzuki Quadracer HQ - General Discussion => Topic started by: Rider414 on June 26, 2013, 03:00:43 pm
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Doing a slow clap for you sir!
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Got the cylinder head repaired and it runs. This video is the first REAL time it has been running. I had to adjust the air screw abit to settle the idle down. It started the third kick. Cant wait to see the torquey thunder this stock small reed top end churns out.
http://youtu.be/WlPVxdoPwpI
Thank you:
PCS
Cworobec
Twinzilla
Motorgeek
Mitch Keller
For parts, pieces, and service.
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Matt pretty sure I have an extra bleeder screw (ill double check tonight) if you want me to send it to you let me know.
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Well I ran into some issues..............big surprise with these quads huh?
I did get it to start but quickly identified a issue. The moron that polished the head (PCS is who I bought it from, hopefully it wasn't him) took enough material off of the spark plug surface that it leaks!!!! It sprays premix all over the place.
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And the bleeder screw broke off. So.............................I need to get this fixed and then Ill be back at this thing.
I had to take my YFZ450 and Long Travel Jeep to the Sand Dunes instead. Wish I had the Zilla!!! (Y)
http://youtu.be/czrvbRNqqkg
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Just don't take until page 27 people give you a hard time for **** like that! Lol
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is it alive yet?
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I have been trying to get this Zilla started. Still no success. Each time I ran out of time or energy. I had a couple of close ones.
I got spark and fuel. Ill give it another try tomorrow.
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Please do.
I usually will do a couple of heat cycles and then run it.
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Just go ride it.
The piston needs more heat than what idling can provide to stress relieve it. The proper break-in procedure will relieve the needed stresses and polish off the high spots on the piston and cylinder wall at the same time.
The heat cycle routine of letting the engine idle for ________ minutes with _________ minutes of cool off time and repeating the process ______ number of times, then run the engine at_________throttle position for __________ minutes........it just goes on and on and on........ just polishes the tops off of the cross hatch, glazes the cylinder and make ring seating take longer without doing much to aid the break-in process of the piston. I have read and tried numerous break-in procedures in my career. The above procedure is another one of those procedures that really does not hurt the engine but it does almost nothing to prepare or break-in the piston so that the engine is ready to be run hard.
When I have time I will post my procedure and the science behind the procedure.
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Chuckie -
I am waiting for a clutch cover gasket. It might be here today. Everything else is ready to go. Maybe a heat cycle video later??!! Oh I hope I just didn't jinx it...............................Sorry Zilla gods for thinking this might run. I am sorry.
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Looks good man! How's she doing? Nice save for sure on that **** azz piston ,,,,
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Notes:
- There is a technique to assembling the exhaust valve. Especially the plastic clip to the rod.
I had a hard time with this. I ended up installing the clip onto the rod first, then inserting the clip end into the valve. Worked like a charm
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Matt:
You need to weld the flywheel before the rivets get loose. Once the rivets get loose the two will not be concentric .......... then it is too late to weld it
You're right - I need to get that done.
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Ya the clips are a pain. On the bench maybe not bad
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Matt:
You need to weld the flywheel before the rivets get loose. Once the rivets get loose the two will not be concentric .......... then it is too late to weld it
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Small Reed Top End being assembled - might get to do a heat cycle tomorrow if I get enough time.
Notes:
- There is a technique to assembling the exhaust valve. Especially the plastic clip to the rod.
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That's what you call sacrificing for butt dyno glory!!
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You always want to check the jetting after a rebuild. I will run slightly bigger jets to break it in and then dial it in.
The only mod that I did was change from the 87 carb to the 88-90 Zilla carb. I will not be boring this carb out as I want to replicate stock LT500 performance. I am going to run an airbox lid too!! FTW!!
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Yes. 88.5 is 2mm over stock I Think?
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I am not sure what you mean Mr. Oreo?
Am I going to rejet? Mod the carb?
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Pardon the thread interruption. Are you planning on doing anything regarding carb work for the 88.5mm bored?
Thanks
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No problem man glad its all coming together.
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SO FRESH SO CLEAN CLEAN
Spec: 529cc Small Reed 500 Top End Cleaned up by HPR
88.50 Bore w/ Wiseco Piston
Rechambered O-Ring Head
New Studs in the Cylinder
Billet Thrust Washers and RM Bearing
Stock Porting
Plumb and Square!!
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Just waiting for some O-Rings and Ill be putting this Small Reed project together on the 87 Rescue Project. I will be going to the dunes in a few weeks so I am curious how this little torque monster will compare to the wild child 87 HPR Ported / Q Piped Zilla I have. Should be fun!
I shipped o-rings. They should have been with the other parts and gaskets.
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Post a picture of your o ring and head chamber I'm planning on sending mine to Jerry in the next month or two.
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Thank you PCS and Cwrobec for the Parts and Pieces for this build. 8)
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SO FRESH SO CLEAN CLEAN
Spec: 529cc Small Reed 500 Top End Cleaned up by HPR
88.50 Bore w/ Wiseco Piston
Rechambered O-Ring Head
New Studs in the Cylinder
Billet Thrust Washers and RM Bearing
Stock Porting
Plumb and Square!!
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/elephantrider414/IMAG0228_zps5efb9be5.jpg)
(http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/elephantrider414/IMAG0229_zps61743543.jpg)
Just waiting for some O-Rings and Ill be putting this Small Reed project together on the 87 Rescue Project. I will be going to the dunes in a few weeks so I am curious how this little torque monster will compare to the wild child 87 HPR Ported / Q Piped Zilla I have. Should be fun!
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Were those cast pistons?
Yes sir
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Yes. Mine was the original oem piston. It had never been rebuilt.
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Were those cast pistons?
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EXACTLY WHAT MINE LOOKED LIKE!!!!!
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Jesus! :o
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Huh. That sounds familiar!
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That same thing happened to mine. I found an original bore that only had rings replaced. Took it out for the first time and after 5 hours of riding the entire rear piston skirt broke off and locked up the crank. I got so lucky there was no damage done to any other parts.
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DAMN. That thing was on borrowed time! And the last grain was about to fall through the hourglass! :o :o :o :o
Hmm. Yours has upper arm zerk fittings in the EXACT same place as mine. No mere coincidence. I wonder if a company did that back in the old days?
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WOW! Those gouges are from the wrist pin pushing out! You dodged a bullet there buddy!!!!!
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DAMN!!!! NICE SAVE.
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Go buy some lottery tickets... Caught in the nick of time!
+k2
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Wow, talk about lucky!!!! If that was mine not only would it ave blown up I would have shrapnel ass! :D
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Good catch!
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That was close, Matt
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Yeah that's a cast piston. I would say one more top speed run and it would have probably blown and caused alot more issues.
D?
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Good thing you tore that thing down and didn't continue riding it. Could've grenaded the **** out of that 87 top end.
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Nice. Aren't you glad you didn't start it again? Is that a cast piston? Kind of looks like it.
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Finally decided to tear the top end down on the Rescue 87 Zilla. Sometimes that's a hard decision to make on a running machine. I knew it had LOW compression but it started and ran pretty good.
Boy am I glad I tore it down. This thing was so close to going BOOM.
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I was told this was a original bore machine. False - this piston was 86.50 and is made by Art.
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This piston had a major skirt crack on both sides. This was going to go BOOM real soon.
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Crack on the other side
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The piston pin clip on one side was missing. I believe this is what caused this damage and then either ground up or shot out the exhaust.
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Rod and crank appear to be in good shape. I pulled the mag side cover to feel for bearing looseness and found it to be ok. Big end of the Rod was also ok. Whewwwww!! I should be getting my small reed topend from Jerry soon so I can get it ready for the dunes in October
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Got around to fixing the worn out steering bushing too.
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The workshop and my sanctuary
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Update:
This zilla's top end is pretty milked out. Suppose to be the original stock bore. It runs well and starts easy. I am almost afraid to tear it apart. I am also afraid of this piston or thrust washer grenading and causing a bigger mess!!
Anyway - I bought a small reed top end of PCS. I sent it to HPR today for a bore, squish, and o-ring job. Why I didn't send the 87 jug on it, I can't answer that. I feel like its wrong to put this small reed top end on a 87 but it goes with the theme of this quad. Stock "torquey" reliable play/trail quad.
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Restored already ? Man that was fast !
Was not a restoration, just a rescue and repair. It did not need alot of work at all (knock on wood) and ran great this weekend.
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Restored already ? Man that was fast !
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It looks like Shirly and the rescue 87 could use a camber spacer kit from Mitch.
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damm that was fast, come down here i have 3 that are ready to be put back together,
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Nice man! Did those rear end bolts arrive ok?
They probably did sir (thank you) but for this trip I robbed my other Zilla. ;D
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Nice man! Did those rear end bolts arrive ok?
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http://youtu.be/6mdKLsu0_ik
This is Shirley from last fall.
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http://youtu.be/-O5SV0wQ9Ks (http://youtu.be/-O5SV0wQ9Ks)
I had the old/new 87 out today for my first time. She runs real good!! I was very pleasantly surprised with the power. Airbox lid and all! It comes on pretty early and pulls strong. Signs off way earlier than the Dr Q. V2 Pipe on Shirley. However its still a very fast quad with just a crappy pipe!! I think this Zilla will make a great little trail partner when I feel like burning oil.
It's alot easier to wheelie vs my other Zilla. Power is smoother and not as violent.
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That's one full garage! Digging it! (Y)
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Tell me about that jeep 414? Im in the market for one for up at my cabin
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The drivetrain rebuild went well.
My local motorsports shop (moto-man racing, also a great mail order place) has some rear axle bearings in stock along with a new o-ring chain. I picked up a liter of tranny oil too. The PO had given me a new set of rear brake pads and a new 13 tooth front sprocket. He had a 12 tooth front sprocket that was really worn and actually chewing up the lock washer for sprocket nut.
So far:
New Chain
New Axle Bearings and Seals
New Front Sprocket
New Rear Brake Pads
Re-used rear 42 Tooth Sprocket from the Shirley Build (almost new)
New UNI Foam Air Filter left over from the Shirley Build
Also installed the factory clutch lever/parking brake set-up salvaged from the Shirley build, and replaced the nasty sticking twist throttle with the thumb throttle from the PO. I pulled the FMF Silencer w/ SA apart as it looked like it was leaking oil. The packing was gone. So I repacked it with some insulation and sealed it back up. That silencer looks to be extremely restrictive!! That's ok for this quad as its not a drag racer. I put the turf tamers on that the PO gave me vs. the monster truck mudders that came on it (for sale lol).
Total cost so far $131.00
Went through the carb. Its the 87 TM38SS Mikuni with stock jetting (420 Main). It leaked gas so I cleaned the needle valve up and put it back together.
I need new grips and some bolts from Buckeye to get things buttoned up. I hope to get it out this weekend to do some playing around. Nothing real hard as I don't wanna blow it up and wreck the head/cylinder/crank from those shady factory thrust washers.
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CRUSTY!!!
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FMF Fatty = FAT POWER!!!
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The New Kid packed in there and one lonely Yamaha
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I just cut off the chain from my 87 yesterday, no master link.
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I know for a fact the 250 had an endless chain. I can't imagine the Zilla would have had a master link from the factory.
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I'm pretty sure the Zillas came with endless O-ring chains stock.
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Not wasting any time !
(Y)
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well they come apart fast, we all know that.
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If you don't want the bumper I know a good wall for it where it can hang out with some other cool things LOL
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This 87 is starting to scare me.
I had the rear tore down in 30 minutes. It would have been faster if I didn't have to deal with that stupid DG rear bumper. I don't think it's going back on. I was preparing for battle!! My the 87 took 3 days just to get a hub off.
Did the 87 Zilla come with a OEM o-ring chain? I believe the entire rear drivetrain was stock. Maybe original axle bearings? There were teeth marks in the axle nuts but maybe they just snugged them up? I don't know but the chain and brake side axle bearing were smoked!!
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Need some parts now. Not alot as everything seems straight.
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good deal, but you will want more power or the quad will not get rode that much. lol
who wants to ride a slow quad beside Kyle. lmao
oh wait did you mean Michigan stock. :)
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I'm pretty sure it won't fit a BABY quad CJ. :))
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I want the rear bumper!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol
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Mr. Greek
Nothing much planned, I want to ride a stocker on the trails to see what kind of a trail bike it is.
Stock....eewwwww
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very nice find, so can we expect to see some of that great work you did on shirley on this new build,
keep us posted on this.
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No kidding theres a hoopty on c.l. right now in michigan that he wants 4k for. Im doing a kitchen for a guy right now and he has a zilla in the garage its a roller with the motor out. New oem plastics on it. he said its been sitting for 5 years he has no time for it. Cross your fingers for me I'm going to try and work out a barter on his remod.
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Zilla's ain't cheap round' these parts.......
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So my guess was pretty dang close at $2300
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I take it you saw the pink plastic one on c.l. too lmao
Yup. Hahahaha!!!
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I take it you saw the pink plastic one on c.l. too lmao
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He wanted $3000.00 and we settled on $2,400.00. I for sure didn't steal it but really appreciated the original condition. No pink plastic, no hacked-up crap.
After some cleaning yesterday, its pretty damn clean. The list of items to repair are: New Chain, New Axle Bearings, Fresh Top End. Everything else is pretty square.
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So what did you spend on it 414? Was my guess close?
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That one you picked up is nice too 414. I saw both of them and like I said I have too many...... Says the wife anyway.
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That one in Livonia looks real nice! Was that just posted?! Wish I would have saw that.............
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Nice new addition, looks really good.
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Thanks I'm technically challenged
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http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/mcy/3892909163.html
Is that the one?
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Still doesn't work
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rqhxm-3892909163@sale.craigslist.org?subject=suzcki%20500%20quadzilla%20-%20%242800%20(livonia)&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fdetroit.craigslist.org%2Fwyn%2Fmcy%2F3892909163.html%0A
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Oops. Ill retry
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Your post didn't work lt500kid
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rqhxm-3892909163@sale.craigslist.org
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I saw that one too 414 I told my buddy if I didnt already have 4 quads I'd run out and buy it. the only thing it really needs is a seat cover. I think it was up for 2200. but not 100% good find. Theres also a nice one in livonia mi. for sale for 2800 has 90 decals would be a great buy
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Two is better than one. Nice score, looks to be in good shape.
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Nice find Rider...
You should see the piece of crap 2nd Zilla I bought!
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I did don't recognize it from Craigslist but I haven't been on there in a couple weeks. I'm gonna guess you paid around $2300.
And I meant up and running as in rebuilt top end before mines running. +k2
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What do you think it's worth?
It already runs :P
Buckeye - did you notice the Ohio ORV sticker?
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What was the rescue fee?? Amazing how original it is and in good shape from the looks of it. I bet you have it up and running faster than I have mine done! Lol
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Replace the non original stuff and call it a day! I'm restoring one myself for a friend. Wait til you guys see what shape it came to me in! :'( But the shape it will leave in? (Y) ;D :)) O0 8) :D ;) :) and more!
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Looks nice. Freshen up the top end and you will have a reliable zilla
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Nice find, good looking quad.
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Video - Sorry about the sideways footage.
http://youtu.be/tJHS1Fkdt68
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Rescued: 1987 Suzuki LT500R
What's better than a Suzuki 500? Answer - 2 of them!!
I could not resist this used but original 1987 LT500R. I am the 3rd owner on this Zilla. Did not ride it when I bought it but today I had a chance to take it for a spin (still thinking of a name).
I have been really wanting to see what a stock 500 was like. I did not get a chance to run Shirley as it was a complete disaster when I bought her. Shirley has some HPR porting and a Q2 pipe and is a monster.
The plan is to keep this Zilla pretty close to stock. This will be a Zilla that is trail ready and for playing around. The only motor work is a FMF pipe. I am not sure if the PO rejetted it. It suppose to be on the original bore and I believe it. No signs of it being **** open.
The compression feels really weak next to the fresh motor in Shirley, however it runs and idles well. A couple of laps around the block were fun. You can tell how tame the FMF pipe is and how it doesn't rev like the big pipes do. However its still very fun and gets up to speed quickly.
First items to take care of:
- Head Squish Fix and O-Ring, you can tell this one leaked or will leak coolant.
- Fresh Bore and Piston
- Thrust Washers
I am worried about digging into this motor and having a sloppy crank. I am also not sure if I should ditch the 87 carb for a 88 plus carb. This quad will remain stock but Jerry said the 87 carbs are bad and will run lean under certain throttle positions (if I remember right).
Pics:
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Headlight Works!!
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Unmolested 500!! Original Bore (need to verify)
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Gotta have the useless by totally 80's swingarm bumper!!
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Stock handle bars, Switches, Etc; - Super cool!! PO also had the thumb throttle which will go back on.
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Holy Crap a Airbox!! Holy crap a airbox with a lid!!! AND a tool kit!!
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