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LT500R Quadracer => LT500R - Engine => Topic started by: ken500r on May 29, 2013, 07:56:36 am
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Well i did about six hours of riding on the zilla saturday and the zilla ran awesome the whole time.The only problem I had was the new skid-plate I installed was hitting what felt like every rock I rode over and caused me to get caught up on a big hill out there. Lucky for me and my zilla that there was a lot of people out there that day that were nice enough to help me get my quad off the hill.
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Seen that before, Screws where loose and it got ground off.
Happen to bill least season, he thought it was a piston that was getting ready to stick.
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The zilla is alive again!! :)) The new stator and used flywheel from Ricky Stator is installed the flywheel they sent me was in pretty much new condition. Taking it out for the day tomorrow.
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Thanks for the info Jerry I trust your advice so I will just buy a new OEM flywheel. I dont need any more problems. Lol
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.................. What do you guy's think about lightening the flywheel on the LT500R ?
If you machine enough off of the flywheel to make a noticeable difference, you have a potential bomb ready to go off at any time. But if you are determined to lighten it we can provide that service for you.
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Thanks for the offer Buckeye but Ricky Stator is sending me a new stator now and they said they had a used flywheel in good shape they're sending me too there is no play in the crank it looks like somebody forgot to tighten the screws on the coils all the screws backed out they didn't brake off. I think i'm going to buy a new flywheel anyway. What do you guy's think about lightening the flywheel on the LT500R ?
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Looks to me like your fly wheel or crank may have been impacting the stator and that's what caused this not the actual stator itself failing. That's bad man you have no play in your crank right? And that is a 500 flywheel correct? Maybe it was a clearance thing with the Ricky stator being to big or something. I have a stock stator I can sell you for $50 plus the ride if you wanna try to go back to stock and see what happens.
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What does the backing plate look like?
Man catastrophic failure for sure
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OK Im offically blown away, I have never seen anything like that.
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Some more pics. http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/kenlakatos/slideshow/Lt500r%20Stator
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Heres some pics
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Well i finally got around to taking it apart :( I have been riding dirt bikes and quads for over 28 year now and never seen anything like this. Wait until you guys see this ****. I will post some pictures in a little while.
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Could something else being bad in the electrical system be causing these to fail? And u agree with Dez what's actually failed? Might help narrow down what's causing the failure.
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Can you determine what's going out on those stators? The ignition coil, the pick up, etc. easily visible? Pic?
If it's the coils, I'd keep the OEM stator and put on the Ricky stator 120W coils and make sure it's all set up right & tight.
This has worked good for me so far.
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Stator number 2 took a **** on me. WTF is going on with these stators? Ricks stator lasted about 30 hours and the Ricky stator lasted about an hour and a half this is getting to be very frustrating. >:(
Sounds like you may be another victim of these high quality Chinese stators >:(
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Can you determine what's going out on those stators? The ignition coil, the pick up, etc. easily visible? Pic?
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Stator number 2 took a **** on me. WTF is going on with these stators? Ricks stator lasted about 30 hours and the Ricky stator lasted about an hour and a half this is getting to be very frustrating. >:(
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I had to watch that video again, I love it. But I got to ask, do you live near the Chernobyl Nuclear plant in the USSR? Or is this the place where they filmed the Blair Witch Project? Looks like an abandoned city with half completed highways that go nowhere. I imagine that's what the world will look like when me and my 'zilla are the last ones left. hahahaha ;D Cheers from anutha 'zilla from San Diego +k2
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr186/beerside/IMG_0262.jpg) (http://s482.photobucket.com/user/beerside/media/IMG_0262.jpg.html)
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Yes the quad idles good. It did feel and sound like it was running a little rich I think it had something to do with the seven month old gas in it and i could use a new air filter.
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I'm wondering the same thing as Rider 414. Awesome thread and yes, it's rare to see a video of someone actually stretching the legs on a 500. Thanks for sharing!!
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Looks like your riding area is a deserted zombie apocalyptic walking dead episode! Killer!!
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Will your Zilla idle? Do you have to keep reving it so it wont load up? It sounds rich off the bottom and coming onto the needle. 2c
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Cool.video.
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I just meant its nice to see someone run the hell out of a zilla, didn't mean just for that full long road rip lol
And yea it's crazy how much tires will swell! When it snowed and we went out and rode the streets it was all iced over and my 20x10 holeshots turned into like 23x8's lol
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Nice video ken.Sounds good!
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Thanks gays Chuckie I don't really like to keep the zilla wide open like that all the time but I couldn't resist that abandoned road I planed on swapping out the sprockets just for that road until I looked at the front tires on that run it's pretty scary when you see how big the tires get at that speed there was actually a gap between the tire and the rim :o Buckeye nothing to be jealous about it's not my property. LOL I wish that was my property.
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Good **** Ken! Looks like you have some fun open spaces by the homestead to rip it around! Can't wait to get my gopro mounted and get into this house so I can start keeping my bike in my own garage so if I wanna take a quick spin I can. Jealous of you man!
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HEEELLLLLLLLLL YEA! That's what I like to see! Someone that ain't afraid to go out and beat on their bike! You're literally 1 of 2 or 3 people that I've ever seen actually run out a 500. THANK YOU! Lol. Glad you got her squared away! Love watching you out ripping on this thing
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Got some video of my test ride after putting the new Ricky Stator in. :) Man it feels good to ride again. http://youtu.be/v4qmqz6y12U
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I always have bracket mount too if that is what you want.
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Rock on Ken! How much was the Ricky Stator?
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Installed the new Ricky Stator this morning I had noticed that it had a lot stronger of a spark kicking it buy hand then the Dicks Stator did. Time to put the plastics back on and go for a ride maybe I will post some video tonight.
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ZillaFreak Thanks but no thanks the price sounds good in all but its just not the setup i'm looking for.
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Sounds costly for a complete bar set up, $55, I can set you up with 2 LED that will clamp to your handle bars.
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Headlights? Sounds like extra weight lol.
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Thanks buckeye I don't ride at night but i was thinking about getting a bar clamp setup so the hole setup can be easily installed and removed when not using it.
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Nice! Ken if you want to upgrade your lights if highly recommend the lights through Okledlightbars.com or LEDs through zillafreak on here. I can't remember if you run a headlight or not on your beast.
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Well i just got my new Ricky Stator today :). I hope it lasts longer then the (RICKS) stator that only lasted me about 30 hours.
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I had my 250 die on me yesterday and it was wire that gos on the coil.
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It's to damn cold out to work on this thing.
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Check for broken wires around the pickup. Stators generally last longer, lol. D?
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Someone posted that there's a Ricky Stator lt500 stator and a ricks lt500 stator. The ricks part was said to be not as good iirc.
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Well i fired up the zilla today after sitting for about two months three kicks and started right up and ran just as good as it did the last time i had it out for about two minuets and then died out i checked to see if the gas was on it was then i checked to see if it had spark and no spark. I'm thinking it is that RICK's stator i put in it. Do you guy's think the stator could or would go bad after about 35 hours of riding? WTF >:(
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Hopefully mine runs that good when i am done with it!! Had HPR do the motor. It is not in yet as I am currently waiting on some funds so I can buy a good pipe!!
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I also had a LT250 for awhile. I like the size and layout of the 500. It fits me well. As for power, the 500 is a monster. for reference, see the the video's Ken500R posted.
The 250 would works well for trail use and play riding. I loved my 250 but I had to really beat on it at the dunes.
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You took the words rite out of my mouth. AWESOME!!!! and TONS OF FUN!!!! When i ride i ride for about 7 hours at a time. If i had to pick out of all the sport quads out today the LT500R would be my first choice. I think it is very comfortable to ride all day. The 250 just dose not have the power i'm looking for.
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I had a 1986 lt250r now i just have the 500. Why do you ask???
Just got my 500 together and wondering what your impression was between riding the 250 and 500?
I will chime in. I rode a 89 250 for 20+ years before getting a 500. Yeah, the 250 is fun and all but the 500 is AWESOME! The massive load of torque it dumps out is TONS OF FUN! And if you are a taller person, the 500 is a better fit all around.
Edit: I am talking about duning here. I would prefer the 250 on a trail ride...
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I had a 1986 lt250r now i just have the 500. Why do you ask???
Just got my 500 together and wondering what your impression was between riding the 250 and 500?
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I had a 1986 lt250r now i just have the 500. Why do you ask???
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Do you own a 250 as well or just the 500?
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It has a 40 over wiseco piston cylinder clean up port head work o-ringed and squish dcs#4 pipe mikuni 41-1/2 with a 25.0 pilot jet and a 440 main jet V3 reeds k&n filter in box with the lid off.
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What did you wind up doing about reeds?
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be prepared to modify your reed boot and don't just hack off the flanges. I'm gonna post a picture of my boot (which badmoon helped direct me in modifying) in my build thread today or tomorrow. It takes time and patience and a steady hand.
Any more info on this mod?
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Thank you . That pipe does sound good :)
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Cool vid... Nice mid range /top end (Y)
Sounds great when it hops on the pipe. Mitch's pipe sounds sweet. And it's not just because I own one either!
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Nice vid. Its about time someone posts a vid of the zilla stretching its long legs.
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It has its balls back!! Awesome!
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Thank you. I finally got some video. http://youtu.be/a0tvbnwgzt4
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Looks great
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Turned out pretty sweet!
Yeah... Nice bead lock rims (Y)
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Nice. I like the tire and wheel combo.
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Congrats man!! Looks awesome!!
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Well, here it is. Finally got it on the trails after a very long, agonizing build. I just want to say thanks to Jerry Hall for the head and carb work, that made a huge difference in performance and to Mitch Keller for the DCS pipe #4 that runs awesome. I just want to say thanks to all you guys on the forum for all the advice I got while I was rebuilding it. It is greatly appreciated. Here is a few pics of it. Video coming soon as soon as I figure out how to work my new computer.
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I couldn't just buy the one i broke i had to buy all of them. lol
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Nothing cleans up a machine better than cherry new hardware
(Y)
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I got my new studs and nuts. Now i have to make some time this week to put it together.
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Thank you. The stud came out a lot easier then i thought it would.
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This happened to me when i bought my 500 and removed the jug the first time,
if the stud broke even inside the barrel nut there is almost a inch left of stud to grad on too.
I sprayed bp blaster on it for a couple days and it came right out. Hope its the same for you.
Good luck
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I got lucky it broke off in the nut. The thing that sucks is i had to order the stud and the nut from suzuki and its expected to ship friday so i won't have them till next week some time. Lucky the KX500 is ready to go i took most of week off to go ridding at a couple spots i like to go in PA
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I just put on my new top end. Torque specs for the 10mm & 6mm base studs are 29 & 8.5 lbs/ft. Sorry to hear, hopefully there's enough stud left sticking out of the cases for you to grab onto with some vice grips. Heat up the case around the stud before extracting. Made my rear stud extraction go really easy.
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Well i started to put the zilla back together today i put the cylinder on tightened up all the nuts then i went back over them to snug them up a little bit more and SNAP i broke a f***ing stud. >:( It was one of the small ones by the exhaust port.
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Tudor's has them 149$ then 11.92 $ in tax then 12$ to ship so 172.92 is final cost with shipping from Tudor's. Thats how much the guy paid for the ones i bought off him . He sold them to me 150$ shipped brandnew.
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Tudors has them for $180 or so including shipping.
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The place i ordered the V2's from just called me back and said that they thought they had them. >:( I'm done looking for these V2's.
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Dez those are v3 reed cage and reeds. And the pictures will likely be tonight if I can get home at a decent hour and my son isn't still sick.
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These any different?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIB-LT250-LT500-V-Force-III-Reeds-Reed-Assembly-88-92-/350354661833?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5192c3e1c9&vxp=mtr
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I really appreciate the help thank you. I would of cut them the way the direction said too. Lets see those pics.
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I just ordered brand new V2's $148.95 free shipping. Is that a good price?
I paid 150$ shipped to my house around a month and a half ago. So you done good on them. But Buck is right you dont want to cut them like the direction says to do. Hope he will post the pic in his thread later.
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I got my used set of v2's off eBay for $75 + $6 shipping about a month and a half ago. Guy thought they were for a lt250 only and thought they were v3's. be prepared to modify your reed boot and don't just hack off the flanges. I'm gonna post a picture of my boot (which badmoon helped direct me in modifying) in my build thread today or tomorrow. It takes time and patience and a steady hand.
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The V3's are only about $10 cheaper if the V2's last longer then i guess it's a good deal
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I know, they're hard to find and when you do find them they're crazy expensive.
Maybe I just lucked out.
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I did a hole lot of searching to find those thing. I wish i payed $70 for them.
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I think mine were like $70 or something, but that was years ago.
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I just ordered brand new V2's $148.95 free shipping. Is that a good price?
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Hahaha
Better luck finding a giant squid on ebay.
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Same performance and longer lasting sounds like a good resend to buy the V2's to me. Where can i buy a new V2's ?
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2 have alot longer reed life. I talk to one guys that has ran the same 2 for 8 years and just starting to chip around the edges. If you can find a new set of 2 for a good price or used ones go for it. But if not just get a set of 3s and it will be fine. It took me forever to find a set of 2s. But it up to you either one will work good.
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P* P*
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I know the V3's are awesome in my kx500. If there is no performance difference why should i buy the V2's and not the V3's for the lt500r ?
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Dale runs 3's I believe and if I remember right he said there is no performance difference.
But he can speak better to that and I...
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I heard most builders get the same hp number out of the 3 as the 2s. The 2 reed petal last alot longer.
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It's more because of the construction than the actual dyno performance.
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I thought the v2s were considered better just because they have screw on pedals instead of clip on pedals, is that why??
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I asked the same question when this site first popped up. No one really could tell me why they are so much better.
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I want to see a dyno comparison between the V2 and V3 reeds.
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What i really meant was the build is done for now. lol
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Builds are never done--they only get put on hold by out light pocket books.
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I will have to get a set of those V2's too then. And i thought i was done with my build. lol
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V2's are much better than V3's in QR's.
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The V3's are awesome in my kx500. What ones work better for the lt500r?
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Reeds could be part of the issue, get yourself some V2 or V3's
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Not only were my floats out of whack so are my reed paddles and they are new. >:(
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Yeah, ken mentioned that his float levels were out of whack also
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Poor jetting will make even a built motor run like shiz. And with rebuilds lots of things can happen that will affect performance. Remember to leak-down test after you re-assemble. Jerry will get your carb jet sizing in the ballpark but it will still be up to you to fine tune.
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I hope we have some bad ass zillas when we get these things back together. +k2
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That's where my stuff is. +k2
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Well there it is all apart again. I'm sending the hole top end to halls precision racing
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your carb is in good hands, now just start doing some chin ups. you going to need strong arms to hang on. lol
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You changed the reeds. Are they a different brand or the same kind you was using before.
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Is it still a bearded clam? Or did its balls drop ? J/k
What main jet did you end up with?
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Lol yes it does, has a lot more power then the fmf. I cant wait to have that carb set up right. That thing is going to move.
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Does it run better than with the fmf?
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Well i was messing around with the carb got it to run much much better but still not right so i decided to send the carb to halls precision racing. I think i'm going to send him my head to get done too.
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No i bored it 40 over because it needed to be honed and it could not be honed any more so i bored it 40 over.
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Why did you bore it while it was running good?
Thought you'd get more power from a bigger bore?
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The guys at the dealer looked at me like i was crazy when i told then i wanted a 450 main jet.
My tri z 250 had a 470 main from the factory...go off what the plug is telling you
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Never trust the sizes printed on jets. Always use a pin gauge! You could also just take a drill bit and make the jet larger.
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Go fat on jetting and dial down way better to start fat rich than lean. I would get 520 500 480 460 main jet pack from mikuni they come in sets of 4 for like $12-$15 start extra rich ad work down that's what I plan in doing when I get my motor together. I'll rob ably start around the 580 - 560 range though but I'm running a q pipe and v2 reeds with a 9" k&n so more flow than your setup.
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I ran it for about 20min
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How long have you been running the DCS with your current jetting.?
The reason I ask is I've partially seized a piston before that exhibited a power loss.... Upon tear down rings were stuck where a slight scuff occurred. It was fixable... Emory cloth sanded the scuff, pulled the rings & reclearanced the ring land.
Maybe do a compression check?
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The motor was a strong running motor before the rebuild. All i did to the motor was bore it from 30 over to a 40 over and and went from fmf to dcs#4 and put new reeds. I think it is the carb i will try the 450 or 460 main jet then go from there.
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After rebuild
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Please help me help my zilla get it's balls back. lol It has a 40 over wiseco piston cylinder is ported stock head dcs#4 pipe mikuni with a 22.5 pilot jet and a 430 main jet boyesen reeds k&n filter in box with the lid off. My problem is after half throttle there is no power.
When did the low power problem begin?
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The best jetting suggestion I got was to find the lowest elevation you will be riding at, find a slight up hill stretch to rev out fourth gear, shut it down immediately, check the plug to make sure it's not white or light grey.
I would get a 460 too.
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The guys at the dealer looked at me like i was crazy when i told then i wanted a 450 main jet.
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Yeah you'll think it's a stinky butt hole if you seize it :D
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I went to the dealer yesterday they did not have a jet bigger then a 430 i will try another dealer today.
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Oh man...
Yeah I'd go bigger on the main 2 sizes to start
The DCS breathes better than the fmf, so your probably alittle lean now
Mitch give you any recommendations?
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I was running a FMF and i left the jetting the way it was.
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Nice pic....
What pipe were you running before? Did you change your jetting for the DCS4?
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Please help me help my zilla get it's balls back. lol It has a 40 over wiseco piston cylinder is ported stock head dcs#4 pipe mikuni with a 22.5 pilot jet and a 430 main jet boyesen reeds k&n filter in box with the lid off. My problem is after half throttle there is no power.